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    Quote Originally Posted by Verno View Post
    I'm sure, even you Gok, have to admit that a Spark held within a container, powered by the All-Spark (Ie, Primus himself) and is known as 'The Matrix' is a better notion than some mystical device held in the chest of a 'Prime'.
    Nope. I prefer the notion of the Matrix being a divine artifact that Optimus Prime carries inside his chest. But maybe it's my G1 bias kicking in there. As I said before, if you looked at Beast Wars continuity in isolation, then yes, the notion of it being a Spark container works. However if you want to look at it as part of overall Transformers continuity, then it doesn't because there's too much contradictory canonical evidence from other sources - and Beast Wars canon itself doesn't sufficiently support the container notion when faced against opposing notions from G1 and G2.

    While Forward and DiTillio had misunderstood the Matrix as being a container for Prime's Spark, this notion was never explicitly stated in the Beast Wars cartoon -- all you really have is an ambiguous visual cue; which confused the crap out of Transfans at the time and sparked huge debate about what it meant... until the truth behind it was revealed (i.e. misunderstanding on part of the writers). G1 and G2 canon on the other hand explicitly states the nature of the Matrix and does NOT state that it is a receptacle for a Spark (lasercore or life essence). G1 cartoon continuity states that it is a collective font of knowledge, and the G1 comics repeatedly and very explicitly defines the Matrix as being created from Primus' Spark and is thus a divine artifact. This is also why it is the one thing in the universe (multiverse) that Unicron fears - because it was forged from the life essence of Primus himself and thus it is Primus' power stored in the Matrix that can destroy Unicron.

    In fact, when the Matrix once attempted to attack Unicron (using Thunderwing as its vessel), it was powerless because the Matrix had succumb to evil - and as Unicron put it - in that realm he has no equal! (and thus destroyed the corrupted aspect of the Matrix, inadvertantly re-purifying it) It was only when Optimus Prime picked the Matrix up again and plunged it into Unicron's maw, that Primus' light - untainted by evil - was able to destroy Unicron. In G2 when Starscream used the Matrix to merge himself with Warworld and transform it into his new body, Primus' light started changing Starscream's behaviour - making him a force for good. This irritated Starscream who then surrendered the Matrix back to Optimus Prime. And of course, it was the divine power of the Matrix that defeated the Swarm, purifying it, and - as retconned - ultimately led to their evolution into becoming the Vok.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ode to a Grasshopper View Post
    Yup, Botcon exclusive. Unless Verno means some other TM Tigatron that got cancelled, which is quite possible.
    TM Scorpy was a McDonald's toy IIRC.
    Yeah, I have that Transmetal Scorponok toy. I also have Transmetal Dinobot and Blackarachnia which were only available as Maccas Happy Meal toys (note I said Transmetal, not Transmetal 2 ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordCyrusOmega View Post
    Wasn't Transmetal Tigatron an exlusive? Sure I've seen him for sale somewhere.
    If you mean at retail, you're thinking of Transmetal II Tigerhawk.

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    No, no, no, no, no...

    TM Scorponok


    TM/Fuz Optimus Primal


    TM Tigatron


    TM Blackarachnia and others

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    <shrug> I guess unless we see any more evidence, we can assume that they didn't get much further than these conceptual sketches, much like a lot of other Transformers like Action Master Galvatron, Action Master Perceptor, Reverse Megatron, Action Master Bruticus, credit-card Rodimus Prime et al.

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    Those were never going to be produced, Verno, that was just fan art from a BotCon about a decade ago. (Ironically, for a thread called 'Canon' very little of this is actually canonical. Maybe it should be changed to 'Hypotheticals'.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Shadow View Post
    If you mean at retail, you're thinking of Transmetal II Tigerhawk.
    No, I saw him online somewhere or in someones collection or somewhere in toy form.
    Though the toy I saw is a repaint of Ravage, not the one in the pictures.

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    Those sketches look sweet.
    Quote Originally Posted by LordCyrusOmega View Post
    No, I saw him online somewhere or in someones collection or somewhere in toy form.
    Though the toy I saw is a repaint of Ravage, not the one in the pictures.
    Yup, Botcon exclusive. Ironically no stripes.
    Good luck finding one if you want one...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordCyrusOmega View Post
    No, I saw him online somewhere or in someones collection or somewhere in toy form.
    Though the toy I saw is a repaint of Ravage, not the one in the pictures.
    Ah, okay - it could have even been my one, then:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Shadow View Post
    Those were never going to be produced, Verno, that was just fan art from a BotCon about a decade ago. (Ironically, for a thread called 'Canon' very little of this is actually canonical. Maybe it should be changed to 'Hypotheticals'.)
    Since when do topics always stay on topic?

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    Ok. So how did TM2 Dinobot get the Original Dinobot's memories after Rampage was killed by Depth Charge?

    Yes, Megatron used a copy of Dinobot to clone him, but the copy was taken well before the events of 'Code of Hero'.

    Anyone got any theories?

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