New Transformers History book (fiction): The Covenant of Primus

[theheretic]

How dare you!

But in all seriousness, I'd like to know what you mean by "paradoxed HARD!".



You don't think it will all be rebooted again after everything Aligned has had its day?

It will always get rebooted, but its nice to have had some continuity going on for a few years and across multiple media platforms (novels, games, cartoons etc).

Paradoxed hard? Don't get me started on the whole "stabbing G1 Optimus in the head before he woke, thus cancelling G1's existence" paradox.

It has been a few years since I watched BW and BM so do tell me if I am remembering incorrectly.

[Verno]

It will always get rebooted, but its nice to have had some continuity going on for a few years and across multiple media platforms (novels, games, cartoons etc).

That certainly is an exciting prospect for future TF story-telling. As a BW fan, I'm jealous that the BW continuity didn't have that sort of support behind it at the time.

Paradoxed hard? Don't get me started on the whole "stabbing G1 Optimus in the head before he woke, thus cancelling G1's existence" paradox.

That made perfect sense at the time, to me at least anyway.

BW bots are from the future - a future where the Autobots win the Great War, thanks in no small part to Optimus Prime. So if someone went back in time and killed Prime, history would be rewritten.

That's how I understood it anyway. No paradox there.

[i_amtrunks]

This will have to be gold plated to be worth the price for a couple of new images...

[Paulbot]

Really it works out more like $70 USD for a case that goes "Tsche-chu-chu-chu-tsche" and $30 USD for a hardcover illustrated novel.

The Covenant of Primus should be a golden disk though...

[theheretic]

That certainly is an exciting prospect for future TF story-telling. As a BW fan, I'm jealous that the BW continuity didn't have that sort of support behind it at the time.



That made perfect sense at the time, to me at least anyway.

BW bots are from the future - a future where the Autobots win the Great War, thanks in no small part to Optimus Prime. So if someone went back in time and killed Prime, history would be rewritten.

That's how I understood it anyway. No paradox there.

That makes sense in a simple form BUT would any of the BW transformers exist if G1 Optimus died before G1 happened? Even if the great "downgrade" did still occur then it is highly unlikely that the events which originally occurred to send the TF's back to ancient Earth would happen. It's basically the grandfather paradox. If you change an important piece of the past then the future from that point would be drastically altered.

[theheretic]

Don't take it the wrong way though, it was a good watch and I'll re visit it all again at some point soon.

[Verno]

That makes sense in a simple form BUT would any of the BW transformers exist if G1 Optimus died before G1 happened? Even if the great "downgrade" did still occur then it is highly unlikely that the events which originally occurred to send the TF's back to ancient Earth would happen. It's basically the grandfather paradox. If you change an important piece of the past then the future from that point would be drastically altered.

Optimus Prime didn't die from the damage BW Megatron inflicted upon him. Prime's Spark began to re-integrate with the Matrix/Allspark, and when this happened, we began to see the BW characters phase in and out of existence.

But the BW Maximals managed to repair Prime's body, and all was back to normal.

If Prime had died, then the BW characters would have vanished. But because Prime was saved, the BW characters remained alive. Nothing changed in the past, so therefore nothing changes in the future.

[theheretic]

Oh okay. See I can't remember it. I was just sure there was some drastic problems. Maybe it occurred when they went back to cybertron.

[Sky Shadow]

Oh okay. See I can't remember it. I was just sure there was some drastic problems. Maybe it occurred when they went back to cybertron.

You're right that the plan wouldn't have worked from a logical POV - if BW Megatron had killed Optimus Prime and the Maximals never existed - as was the plan - then Megatron wouldn't have been there with the Maximals to kill Optimus Prime in the first place. But it was a great season cliffhanger.

[Verno]

You're right that the plan wouldn't have worked from a logical POV - if BW Megatron had killed Optimus Prime and the Maximals never existed - as was the plan - then Megatron wouldn't have been there with the Maximals to kill Optimus Prime in the first place. But it was a great season cliffhanger.

Sure the plan would have worked. Time Travel gets a bit confusing, but you mustn't forget that there is always a first time through. Allow me to try and explain what I mean. I say try because I won't do justice too what is in my head :P

Now, G1 Megatron left a message on the Golden Disk instructing anyone who found the message to go back in time and kill Optimus Prime while Prime (and everyone else on board the Ark) slept. So, BW Megatron found the message and followed orders. He went back in time and, eventually, attempted to kill Optimus Prime.

The argument you're making is that BW Megatron is erasing his own past and thus could never go back in time and kill Prime. But if you use the theory of the 'first time through', then yes, BW Megatron erases himself from history, but the consequences of his actions up until the point that he fires on Prime will stay - IE, Prime being dead.

At the end of the day, it's fiction -- we have to bend the rules of reality a little