SPOILER THREAD: SW: The Force Awakens

[Golden Phoenix]

Is Snoke a Sith, or just a wielder of the dark side of the force? He was never referred to as Darth, neither was Kylo Ben. The rule of 2 makes it unlikely that he is a true Sith.

Snoke could have been a secret apprentice, trained by Vader or Palpatine to removed the other.

Palpatine had seen Vader as a failure, disappointed that he had been reduced to a cyborg on life-support. He had such potential, and now Vader was limited by his . He was plotting to replace him as soon as he found out about Luke. Before he found out about Luke it would seem logical he had an eye out for someone else. Snoke could have been who he was training up.

That being said, Palpatine also had other force wielding operatives (like the Inquisitors seen in Rebels). Snoke could have been one of them that just made a grab for power in the power vacuum that would have followed Palpatine's death. He may have just declared himself Sith.

[Meister]

Snoke could have been a secret apprentice, trained by Vader or Palpatine to removed the other.

Palpatine had seen Vader as a failure, disappointed that he had been reduced to a cyborg on life-support. He had such potential, and now Vader was limited by his . He was plotting to replace him as soon as he found out about Luke. Before he found out about Luke it would seem logical he had an eye out for someone else. Snoke could have been who he was training up.

That being said, Palpatine also had other force wielding operatives (like the Inquisitors seen in Rebels). Snoke could have been one of them that just made a grab for power in the power vacuum that would have followed Palpatine's death. He may have just declared himself Sith.

Snoke seems to be the big unknown factor here, who he is and where he came from is all a mystery for now. He could have been another Jedi, or perhaps one of Luke's own apprentices who turned, or perhaps not even a force user to begin with (although admittedly that would seem odd since he mentions he has to finish Kylo's training).

It has been suggested by some that he may be Darth Plaguies (Palpatines master, the one he talks about in Revenge of the Sith, the one who could stop people from dying and influence the Midichlorians to create life). I believe Palpatine was supposed to have killed him in his sleep, however people speculate that he may have survived or resurrected himself. I doubt they would go this way, but if they did, it does provide an opportunity to link the whole saga together and provide a more ominous villain then Palpatine (if you thought the emperor was bad and powerful, wait until you see his master lol). Hell if they want they could even go and say that Darth Plaguies was also Master Sifo Dyas, the dude who commissioned the clone army and mysteriously died 10 years before the clone wars (perhaps thats when Palpatine put the knife to him), and possibly even further by saying that he was the one who created Anakin (influencing those Midichlorians) who as a result was always destined to replace Palpatine as his apprentice, which is the reason Palpatine put the knife to him to take Anakin for himself before Plaguies did him over. This would make the entire Star Wars story/saga the resulting product of one ominous figure's conception, a true puppet master who has now finally stepped out of the shadows and made himself known and consequently must be stopped by the only person who can, the son of his own creation, Luke Skywalker...

Apologies to all if I have accidentally shat all over the EU with that terrible brain fart of mine above, I've only followed the theatrical films so I'm only working with what I've been given, I would however be interested if anyone could provide some background on Plaguies or Sifo Dyas, I only recently found out that Plaguies was Palpatines master (never really said that in ROTS) and I have no idea who Sifo Dyas was supposed to be and I've always been intrigued why he went and commissioned the clone army.

[Golden Phoenix]

Snoke seems to be the big unknown factor here, who he is and where he came from is all a mystery for now. He could have been another Jedi, or perhaps one of Luke's own apprentices who turned, or perhaps not even a force user to begin with (although admittedly that would seem odd since he mentions he has to finish Kylo's training).

It has been suggested by some that he may be Darth Plaguies (Palpatines master, the one he talks about in Revenge of the Sith, the one who could stop people from dying and influence the Midichlorians to create life). I believe Palpatine was supposed to have killed him in his sleep, however people speculate that he may have survived or resurrected himself. I doubt they would go this way, but if they did, it does provide an opportunity to link the whole saga together and provide a more ominous villain then Palpatine (if you thought the emperor was bad and powerful, wait until you see his master lol). Hell if they want they could even go and say that Darth Plaguies was also Master Sifo Dyas, the dude who commissioned the clone army and mysteriously died 10 years before the clone wars (perhaps thats when Palpatine put the knife to him), and possibly even further by saying that he was the one who created Anakin (influencing those Midichlorians) who as a result was always destined to replace Palpatine as his apprentice, which is the reason Palpatine put the knife to him to take Anakin for himself before Plaguies did him over. This would make the entire Star Wars story/saga the resulting product of one ominous figure's conception, a true puppet master who has now finally stepped out of the shadows and made himself known and consequently must be stopped by the only person who can, the son of his own creation, Luke Skywalker...

Apologies to all if I have accidentally shat all over the EU with that terrible brain fart of mine above, I've only followed the theatrical films so I'm only working with what I've been given, I would however be interested if anyone could provide some background on Plaguies or Sifo Dyas, I only recently found out that Plaguies was Palpatines master (never really said that in ROTS) and I have no idea who Sifo Dyas was supposed to be and I've always been intrigued why he went and commissioned the clone army.

Courtesy of Wookieepedia - Just had to double check what was and wasn't cannon with this now

Sifo Dyas was a Jedi, was on the Council too. He had visions of a conflict and was kicked off the Jedi Council for suggesting making an army for the Republic. He found the Kaminoans and ordered the clone army. This was around the time of Episode I.
Palpatine found out about this and had Dooku (newly minted Sith Apprentice at this point) kill him off so they could take control of the army later. They then added their own requests into the clone army order (like Order 66).
This was expanded on in a book and a couple of episodes in the Clone Wars cartoon which is still considered cannon.

It used to be cannon that Plagueis' experiments resulted in Anakin's conception, and that he was still alive during the events of Episode I. His death occurred at about the same time as Maul's. Since the book this was in isn't cannon any more this isn't really fact now, but since he is known to be able to create life it is still possible he did help create Anakin.

Would be interesting if Snoke was Plagueis though. Would wonder why he would wait in the shadows for so long though. He would have been playing dead for some 50-60 years (depending on when he revealed himself). Maybe he did find a way to be immortal but it just took a long time to regenerate.

[GoktimusPrime]

Looks like Randall was wrong.

[drifand]

So will they start milking by showing how Ben becoming Ren? That would be a bad way to go I hope they will just move forward.

[Meister]

So will they start milking by showing how Ben becoming Ren? That would be a bad way to go I hope they will just move forward.

I agree, I'm not a big fan of flashbacks, particularly with Star Wars, hopefully they just divulge that information through dialogue, similar to how Obi-wan eventually tells Luke about Vader in ROTJ

Anyone have any thoughts on the Visions Rey had when she found Anakins light sabre?, future?, past?, I think I'll be trying to pay some more attention to that next time I watch it

[CBratron]

Best moment was during Ren's first tantrum and the pair of stormtroopers deciding they won't walk down that corridor.

[UltimateGalvatron]

Best moment was during Ren's first tantrum and the pair of stormtroopers deciding they won't walk down that corridor.

Yeah, that was pretty funny.

"Anything else?"

[Meister]

Yeah, that was pretty funny.

"Anything else?"

Had a lot of points of humour in it

I liked that scene where Rey saved fin from that tentacle monster and when she goes to get him he starts explaining what happened and although not ignoring the urgency of the situation she somewhat patiently lets him finish his story and says "that was lucky"

[GoktimusPrime]

Best moment was during Ren's first tantrum and the pair of stormtroopers deciding they won't walk down that corridor.

Yes! And you can bet that it probably happened a lot during the Original Trilogy too, we just didn't see it.
"Oh look, Lord Vader's choking Fred to death in that room. Let's walk away before we're next."

Then there's Robot Chicken's explanation... that Vader's Force Choke doesn't actually work, but everyone just pretends that it does, and the 'victim' assumes a new identity after each 'death.'