High resolution images of upcoming 25th Anniv/Animated figures

[Pulse]

& we have our 1st review of Inferno (December can't arrive fast enough )

[liegeprime]

Well at leaast inferno isnt dissapointing as Cyclonus was.

[MV75]

Don't the four images here perfectly sum up the whole Hasbro False Advertising complaint?

http://www.tfw2005.com/resources/uni...69/brawn-1861/

Yet you were so adament here

http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showpo...4&postcount=87
http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showpo...5&postcount=89
http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showpo...4&postcount=93

on the topic of enhanced pictures that are supposed to be for retailers eyes only that the end result should be that noone should complain based on 'chopped pictures. Why the sudden 180 in the other thread? Oh that's right, because it was posted what the real nature of the enhanced pictures were for.

http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showpo...7&postcount=83

Note the dates.

So yes:

http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showpo...8&postcount=88
http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showpo...5&postcount=89

I win.

[FFN]

Lame.. When you think about it, the name Bombshell, as are most names in transformers. But all they are, are 2 words used to make up one. So all they have to do is put a space in between the name and hey presto, Bomb Shell. And how can you loose the trade mark to a name that you came up with... It's stupid.

Trademarks don't work like that. When you have a trademark, then somebody else can't have a trademark that is confusingly similar to yours. So you can't trademark "Bomb Shell" if somebody else already has some iteration of "Bombshell".

turtle boy: It's happens when Hasbro stops using the name and another toy company then purchases the right to that name. They may not necessarily use that name (which is why you may not see another toy with the name "Bombshell" on it), but it does mean that they currently hold the rights to it.

I believe that once you file for and are allowed to use a trademark, you have to use the trademark a reasonable amount of times.

What companies will sometimes do when this happens is to modify the name to get around it. For example, "Autobot Jazz," "Decepticon Brawl," "Autobot Ratchet," "Cybertron Perceptor," "Decepticon Frenzy" et al. Now sometimes simply adding "Autobot" or "Decepticon" to the name isn't enough - all depending on the nature of the toy and the copyright being held by the current holder.

Not exactly. Hasbro only adds Autobot or Decepticon to the front of names when they want to strengthen a trademarkable name that may not be strong enough on it's own, either lack of recent usage, or (more likely) because it's a common english word. Ratchet, Jazz, Brawl, Skids are difficult for Hasbro to defend in court, so they stick the made up word like Autobot in front to make them stronger trademarks.

If somebody holds a trademark, you can't simply just stick "Autobot" or "Decepticon" in front of it and call it a day. That's why there's no "Autobot Hot Rod" or even "Autobot Hot Rodimus".

For example in most TF lines Hasbro are able to use "Autobot Jazz" but they weren't allowed to do this with Alternators - possibly because Alternators is also seen as a model car line, not just an action figure line, and the name "Jazz" probably already belongs to any toy company producing a replica of the Honda Jazz. As a result Hasbro used Jazz's Japanese name "Meister" for the Alternator.

From what I understand, Aaron Archer said the reason why they went with Meister was that they felt three releases in a row (Hound, Tracks, Jazz) with "Autobot" as part of the name sounded kind of lame and redundant, so Meister was used as a substitute. Also, Hasbro was still hoping they would be able to release the Porsche and use "Autobot Jazz" on that.

This was probably also the case with Shockwave, unable to simply call it "Decepticon Shockwave" they called him "Shockblast" for Alternators and Energon. Hasbro also cannot use the name "Devastator" for Transformers but they can use it for Star Wars, as Lucas currently owns the name (it's the name of a Star Destroyer) - I'm guessing that could be why Energon Devastator was called "Constructicon Maximus" and movie Devastator was called "Decepticon Brawl."

Lanard (makers of the GI Joe-like toys The CORPS!) held the trademark for Shockwave for a number of years, which was why Hasbro resorted to Shockblast. Hasbro was able to resecure Shockwave when Lanard abandoned their attempts to register it, and Hasbro slapped it onto the Cybertron redeco of Armada Terradive. They were actually aware of the trademark being available back in 2004, but at the time Alternators Shockblast was already well underway, so they couldn't change the name.

So guys, don't complain when Hasbro slaps seemingly random G1 names onto toys that don't really fit. They need to do that to keep the names in usage (especially right after they are able to resecure the trademark).

The reason why Hasbro uses "[Insert word] Devastator" is because Hasbro's legal department considers Devastator to be too difficult to defend in court due to it being a common word. Movie Devastator was renamed Brawl because both Hasbro and the screenwriters wanted to save the name for a gestalt.

As far as I know, Lucasfilm does not hold the trademark to Devastator for the same reasons (too difficult to defend in court), for to my knowledge, there are no products called "Devastator" from the Star Wars merchandise lines. To hold onto a trademark, you have to use it, and Lucasfilm is unlikely to trademark Star Destroyer names given they mostly use generic naval names of common words.

[GoktimusPrime]

Not exactly. Hasbro only adds Autobot or Decepticon to the front of names when they want to strengthen a trademarkable name that may not be strong enough on it's own, either lack of recent usage, or (more likely) because it's a common english word. Ratchet, Jazz, Brawl, Skids are difficult for Hasbro to defend in court, so they stick the made up word like Autobot in front to make them stronger trademarks.

But a lot of other Transformer names are words commonly found in the English lexicon, e.g.: Bumblebee, Barricade, Lugnut, Scavenger etc., yet Hasbro continues to use these names for Transformers without modification. :/

Also, "Perceptor" is not a word that exists in the Japanese lexicon, so why would Takara call the reissue "Cybertron Perceptor"? There's also the question surrounding the typography of Encore Swerve's name too (ウエーブ　vs　ウェーブ), and "Wave" isn't a word in the Japanese lexicon either.

If somebody holds a trademark, you can't simply just stick "Autobot" or "Decepticon" in front of it and call it a day. That's why there's no "Autobot Hot Rod" or even "Autobot Hot Rodimus".

I thought it was dependant on the nature of the trademarked name. *shrug*

So guys, don't complain when Hasbro slaps seemingly random G1 names onto toys that don't really fit. They need to do that to keep the names in usage (especially right after they are able to resecure the trademark).

I don't have a problem with them doing that... but I do have a problem with them slapping completely irrelevant names onto a Transformer that's meant to be called something else; e.g.: Universe Tankor. I understand that Hasbro may not be able/willing to use the name "Octane" on its own, but why not modify it? "Decepticon Octane" or hell, even "Mega-Octane" (which Hasbro used in RiD) would've been infinitely preferable than call it freakin' "Tankor." (-_-)

I don't have a problem with names like "Autobot Jazz," "Decepticon Frenzy" or "Shockblast"... I can even accept "Hardshell"... but "Tankor" instead of "Octane"?? They're just not trying...

The reason why Hasbro uses "[Insert word] Devastator" is because Hasbro's legal department considers Devastator to be too difficult to defend in court due to it being a common word.

Yet "Bumblebee" and "Barricade" are easier? :/

As far as I know, Lucasfilm does not hold the trademark to Devastator for the same reasons (too difficult to defend in court), for to my knowledge, there are no products called "Devastator" from the Star Wars merchandise lines. To hold onto a trademark, you have to use it, and Lucasfilm is unlikely to trademark Star Destroyer names given they mostly use generic naval names of common words.

Most capital ships in Star Wars are named after common words such as the Devastator, the Executor, the Malevolence and the Invisible Hand. I don't know of Lucas would ever commission Hasbro to make a specific toy of the Devastator... visually it just looks like another Star Destroyer. It's not as if Hasbro would make an action figure for Stormtrooper TK-421.

[jaydisc]

I win.

I didn't know we were competing. What do you win?

As I said, we're on different pages. Perhaps you are defensive as you thought something I wrote was directed at you personally? If so, I assure you that wasn't the case.

[griffin]

I think the issue with Robot Heroes Bombshell/Hardshell is being confused with names lost due to lapsed Trademarks. Bombshell, IRC, is like Slag, in that the name itself would be difficult to market in certain countries (probably Canada, which saw Beast Wars renamed Beasties).
I don't think there would be a Trademark problem with Bombshell, because they could easily slap 'Decepticon' in front of it like they already do with Movie Brawl, Fracture, Movie Reverb, RH Rumble, Universe Dropshot and Universe Heavyload (it might be more common for Autobots, but it does get used for Decepticons too).

Since they probably couldn't use (or didn't want to use) 'Bomb', they would have had to find something to go with 'shell', to at least make it a little familar (like Shockblast).
If Hasbro answers all our submitted questions, including reasoning behind design choices, we could submit a question for next month, to ask why it is called 'Hardshell', and get it straight from the horse's mouth.

[kurdt_the_goat]

Looks like someone managed to save Brawn from unpainted-green-wheeled doom!

[griffin]

That's just weird. Maybe it really is being released with black wheels, and the product photos we saw in packaging were just more mock-ups (which can often be the case as well).
Maybe we just have to wait until they are out in stores to see for sure what comes out of the factory.

[griffin]

Well, here's hoping for a redeco/remould Brawn as Outback!