Gun-Formers (imitation weapons) laws and requirements for Australia

[bakakun]

Best value for money might be to get a glass display cabinet from Ikea or Fantastic furniture and get a lock for them or, if you're lucky, wait for Aldi's next round of glass cabinets as those are cheaper still and include locks.

I saw this one from Ikea, but it doesn't appear to come with a lock

http://www.ikea.com/au/en/catalog/products/60269123/

This one would be preferred though because it's narrower, but again has no lock

http://www.fantasticfurniture.com.au...TI4SHOOOGLAWHI

[GoktimusPrime]

http://www.shopfittingsdirect.com.au...play-showcase/

[DarkHyren]

I saw this one from Ikea, but it doesn't appear to come with a lock

http://www.ikea.com/au/en/catalog/products/60269123/

This one would be preferred though because it's narrower, but again has no lock

http://www.fantasticfurniture.com.au...TI4SHOOOGLAWHI

Yeah you have to get the lock separately, I'm not sure if Ikea sell them in store but you can find them on ebay regardless by searching "ikea detolf lock", they fit both cabinets.
As I said though, all depends on if you want "cheapest" or "best value for money", so far cheapest is probably that single cube which looks like it'll be $62 before shipping and without a lock (probably cheaper to get a lock somewhere else honestly as it's $25 more from them with the lock) but it's not best value for money

[bakakun]

Yeah you have to get the lock separately, I'm not sure if Ikea sell them in store but you can find them on ebay regardless by searching "ikea detolf lock", they fit both cabinets.
As I said though, all depends on if you want "cheapest" or "best value for money", so far cheapest is probably that single cube which looks like it'll be $62 before shipping and without a lock (probably cheaper to get a lock somewhere else honestly as it's $25 more from them with the lock) but it's not best value for money

I want something that's good value, but also cheap. But above all it's got to be able to meet requirements to storing Megatron (imitation firearm).

If I were to get the IKEA or Fantastic furniture display cabinet, I'd like for it to be able to hold the Soul of chogokin figures and DX chogokin Macross figures I am also getting. The Ikea one claims the shelves can hold up to 3.5kg, but the fantastic furniture one doesn't mention it. How many SOC figures could a 3.5kg limit hold? Honestly never owned one so I don't know how heavy they are out of the packaging.

EDIT:
Do the NSW safe storage requirements listed on the Megatron club website apply for Victoria? I can't find anywhere where it mentions imitation firearms like Megatron need to be stored in a case that's fixed to a wall?


This is the section on the CCP approval letter form regarding storage

Part 6 – Storage (Please advise what storage requirements you have in place to prevent the theft of these
prohibited weapons whilst in your possession)

Storage requirements
Prohibited Weapons owned or possessed under this Chief Commissioner’s Prohibited Weapons Approval must be stored in the following manner:

Imitation firearms (including laser/infrared devices) are to be stored safely and securely in a manner to ensure that:
• The devices are not readily accessible to others;
• The devices are not available for possession, carriage or use by others unless they are also holders of a Chief Commissioner of Police Approval (Prohibited Weapons) issued for the same reason or are otherwise exempt (if applicable); and
• When being transported between the usual place of storage and place(s) at which the devices are legitimately used (the reason of which is stated in this authority), they are stored in a manner that is not readily accessible to others and concealed from plain sight.

Blow guns may be on open display in the approval holder’s home, but both ends must be sealed and all darts surrendered.

Body armour must be stored in safe and secure manner.

Swords must be stored in a manner to ensure that they are not:
(i) readily accessible to anybody other than holder of the Chief Commissioner’s Prohibited Weapons Approval or Government in Council Exemption; or
(ii) available for possession, carriage or use by a person who is not a holder of a Chief Commissioner’s Prohibited Weapons Approval or does not fall within another class of exempt person.

General category crossbows must be store in a manner to ensure that they are not:
(a) readily accessible to anybody who is not a holder of a Chief Commissioner’s Prohibited Weapons Approval or does not fall within another class of exempt person. Specifically the crossbows must be:
(i) fitted with a trigger lock and the keys stored in a separate place; or
(ii) stored with a cable lock through the footclaw and connected to the string; or
(iii) stored in the unstrung condition with the prod/bow assembly demounted from the stock (where possible);
(b) available for possession, carriage or use by a person who is not a holder of a Chief Commissioner’s Prohibited Weapons Approval or does not fall within another class of exempt persons.

Other prohibited weapons should be stored in a locked cupboard, cabinet or safe of sturdy construction. If the storage unit is glass fronted, the glass must be at least 5mm thick. If the mass weight of the storage unit is less than 150kg, it must be affixed to either the frame of the floor or wall (where applicable) so as to prevent easy removal. Wood screws and the like are not acceptable; however, ramset/dyna bolts are sufficient. The locks fitted to these storage units must be of sturdy construction. Padlocks must have shanks of hardened steel.

If the first sentence "Other prohibited weapons" is a separate matter from the inform regarding the storage weight and thickness of the glass, then that single cube and the others I linked might not be enough. If that section was grouped intentionally, and those requirements are not for an imitation firearm like Megatron, then I might be safe.


Also, can anyone in Victoria who's gotten their approval letter please clarify whether it was required to have security grilles on their windows?

[danny-boy]

I don't think the Megatron club is active. I emailed my membership form and payed the yearly $10 fee via PayPal last Tuesday, but still haven't heard from them. I guess I'll keep waiting.

[DarkHyren]

If I were to get the IKEA or Fantastic furniture display cabinet, I'd like for it to be able to hold the Soul of chogokin figures and DX chogokin Macross figures I am also getting. The Ikea one claims the shelves can hold up to 3.5kg, but the fantastic furniture one doesn't mention it. How many SOC figures could a 3.5kg limit hold? Honestly never owned one so I don't know how heavy they are out of the packaging

Should be fine if this (clicky) is the type of thing you mean, they are the same weight (approx) as an MP and most people with these units have 3 or 4 MPs per shelf. The Fantastic Furniture one is basically the same as the Ikea one so it should have the same tolerances (the picture on the website with the anime figurines in them seems to indicate this as well), but I don't have one so I couldn't say for 100% sorry.

EDIT:
Do the NSW safe storage requirements listed on the Megatron club website apply for Victoria? I can't find anywhere where it mentions imitation firearms like Megatron need to be stored in a case that's fixed to a wall?

Not sure honestly as the laws change from state to state, best bet is just ask for clarification from the police dept.

[bakakun]

Should be fine if this (clicky) is the type of thing you mean, they are the same weight (approx) as an MP and most people with these units have 3 or 4 MPs per shelf. The Fantastic Furniture one is basically the same as the Ikea one so it should have the same tolerances (the picture on the website with the anime figurines in them seems to indicate this as well), but I don't have one so I couldn't say for 100% sorry.

Not sure honestly as the laws change from state to state, best bet is just ask for clarification from the police dept.

Thanks for the response. Yes that's the type of thing I'm looking at getting, as well as Soul Of Chogokin GX-72 Daijujin/Megazord and Golion/Votron.

I actually had a look at the fantastic furniture one in store and apparently it can hold up to 6kg, according to the sticker on the shelf.

There's also this one which looks like it can hold a 10kg, but I'm not sure how you would install one of the detolf argos locks, since it has a metal frame.

http://www.fantasticfurniture.com.au...TI3SHOOOMEGYEL


Lock I found on ebay

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Glass-Cab...MAAOSwHjNV9zbm

I'm sort of leaning toward the first fantasitc furniture cabinet at the moment, but it'd be great if I only have to buy that single cube from shopfittingsdirect.com.au, as that'd be the cheapest option.

I emailed the Licensing regulation again this requirement below if all I have to worry about. Hopefully they don't reply back saying I have to comply with the "Other prohibited weapons" section as well.

Imitation firearms (including laser/infrared devices) are to be stored safely and securely in a manner to ensure that:
• The devices are not readily accessible to others;
• The devices are not available for possession, carriage or use by others unless they are also holders of a Chief Commissioner of Police Approval (Prohibited Weapons) issued for the same reason or are otherwise exempt (if applicable); and
• When being transported between the usual place of storage and place(s) at which the devices are legitimately used (the reason of which is stated in this authority), they are stored in a manner that is not readily accessible to others and concealed from plain sight.

Man I really hate having to go through all of this. Why does Victoria have to be so strict about getting a getting a toy gun? What's worse though is the fee I'm going to have to pay every 3 years.

[ZoonMaster5000]

Man I really hate having to go through all of this. Why does Victoria have to be so strict about getting a getting a toy gun? What's worse though is the fee I'm going to have to pay every 3 years.

You could always move further south where I'm being told you have to be a member of a gun club to import fire arms real or imitation!

I have this shelf from fantastic it has a shelve wight load of 10kg might be a bit pricey for what you are looking for.

[bakakun]

Ok so the response I got for the storage requirement was just what I listed about under "Imitation firearms (including laser/infrared devices)". Nothing else (which I assume means not the other section)

So I'm thinking of just getting this and putting a padlock on it. Or should I fork out the extra $18 for the cam lock and key?

http://www.shopfittingsdirect.com.au...play-showcase/