The non-toy Star Wars discussion thread

[GoktimusPrime]

https://www.porsche.com/usa/aboutpor...e-star-wars-2/

So apparently Porsche co-designed the Tri-Wing starfighter seen in Obi-Wan Kenobi. Does this mean that Porsche has finally changed their minds on having their brand being affiliated with war (even if it's fantasy war, like the Transformers)? Or is this an exception because the Tri-Wing isn't an actual Porsche vehicle? Part of me hopes that this means that Porsche is changing their stance and that we may finally see them allow Hasbro to use the Porsche licence for Transformers... but I'm most likely being far too optimistic here.

1. Jedi Robes looking like they do was established back in the original trilogy; if you recall at the end of Return of the Jedi, the ORIGINAL Anakin Skywalker Force ghost (portrayed by Sebastian Shaw) is wearing the same Jedi Robes. The same could be argued for Yoda?s outfit in ESB, though less obvious.

Hhmmm... that's a good point about Anakin's Force Ghost. I can concede that this illogical retcon was made as early as Return of the Jedi, but I don't see it with Yoda in TESB. Yoda is just wearing a rather bland set of rags, really. Even in ROTS Yoda has to lose his cloak to reveal his unconventional costume underneath.

I just watched the opening sequence with Order 66 again and thought it was awesome, though on reflection it doesn?t make sense that the Jedi Master is doing Jedi-Chi completely oblivious to the chaos and death of Order 66 happening at the same time.

I assume that those Clones were among the first to open fire, thus not causing any disturbance in the Force. I suppose that the attack on the Jedi Temple had to be one where the Clones march into the place and assume key positions before simultaneously attacking multiple places at the same time. Cos sieging the front and working their way in would alert the rest of the Jedi and allow them to mount defences/counterattacks. I know that we see Vader and the Imperial Clones march into the Temple from the entrance, but we don't see them firing until they're inside the building. While seeing them march in might have looked odd, as the Jedi still saw them as friendlies, and being led by a member of the Jedi Council no less, they would have been very much off guard.

I really loved seeing the Jedi practising a form; Star Wars canon has established the Jedi's lightsabre art as containing seven forms. I assume that those Padawans were prasctising Form I, which was also the same form that Obi-Wan Kenobi was teaching Luke Skywalker aboard the Millennium Falcon (when Luke was practising against the remote).

I also have questions about the hygiene practices of Obi Wan?s meat processing plant

This is a planet that still has slavery... don't think they care too much about hygiene laws! Also, Obi-Wan eats bugs. Nicking a piece of giant space-sashimi is probably a real treat for him. Although I do like how the bug-eating thing is also a nod at that episode from Clone Wars where Anakin taught Obi-Wan how to eat bugs (when they were stuck in that prolonged siege and their rations were running low).

It was also really cool and sad to see Obi-Wan's reaction when that Inquisitor told him that Darth Vader survived Mustafa. I hadn't thought about it before, but yeah, from Obi-Wan's POV he would have assumed that Vader perished on Mustafa. He never knew that Palpatine rescued him and rebuilt him as a cyborg. And yet, he did know about cyborg Vader in A New Hope, since he tells Luke that Vader is, "More machine now than man. Twisted and evil." ←I expect that the series will lead up to something where Obi-Wan encounters or sees cyborg Vader. This could actually fill in that little continuity gap quite nicely. And the Original Trilogy never said that Obi-Wan and Vader never encountered each other since the fall of the Republic. In A New Hope, Vader simply says, "I presence I haven't felt since..." before storming out of the room. He never finished that sentence, so it's plausible that they could meet in the Obi-Wan series and that Vader's line in ANH was referring to that moment, and not their last encounter on Mustafa.

[Seraphim Prime]

It was also really cool and sad to see Obi-Wan's reaction when that Inquisitor told him that Darth Vader survived Mustafa. I hadn't thought about it before, but yeah, from Obi-Wan's POV he would have assumed that Vader perished on Mustafa. He never knew that Palpatine rescued him and rebuilt him as a cyborg. And yet, he did know about cyborg Vader in A New Hope, since he tells Luke that Vader is, "More machine now than man. Twisted and evil." ?I expect that the series will lead up to something where Obi-Wan encounters or sees cyborg Vader. This could actually fill in that little continuity gap quite nicely. And the Original Trilogy never said that Obi-Wan and Vader never encountered each other since the fall of the Republic. In A New Hope, Vader simply says, "I presence I haven't felt since..." before storming out of the room. He never finished that sentence, so it's plausible that they could meet in the Obi-Wan series and that Vader's line in ANH was referring to that moment, and not their last encounter on Mustafa.

I also liked this because I was actually thinking about who knows whether Darth Vader is Anakin Skywalker
Tarkin in Episode IV tells Vader that he is all that is left of that old (Jedi) order - and had worked beside Anakin as a Republic general in The Clone Wars.

[XMan]

I have enjoyed the first 3 eps very much, I'm waiting to watch the other 3 in one go. ROgue One still, for me, holds the best Vader scene, but watching him walk through Tatooine braking necks was amazing, Then what he did to Ben...

[Tha_Phantom]

watching him walk through Tatooine braking necks was amazing, Then what he did to Ben...

Yeah, you could really feel the hatred. I can't wait to see their next encounter, if there is one (and no I don't mean A New Hope).

[GoktimusPrime]

It was also interesting to see how utterly inept Ben was at fighting Vader. This is consistent with the idea that Ben is, at this stage, an utterly broken man who has lost his edge as a Jedi. It also means that he has his own personal journey to embark on to get to being the Jedi knight that we saw him as in A New Hope. Also interesting to see Quinlan Vos being mentioned.

The scene when Vader arrives at the space port town was interesting as it means that there are now dire consequences for Ben's choices. One problem with prequels is we know that there is no real peril for characters like Ben Kenobi and Leia Organa, for obvious reasons. So instead, other beings are now susceptible to suffering for Ben's choices. Vader gave Ben an impossible choice... expose himself or allow the innocent to die. And his new ally Tala is facing peril in trying to help him and Leia.

It also just dawned on me that Temuera Morrison's cameo as the homeless Clone Trooper was the first time that Morrison has ever worn the Clone Trooper armour!

[Sinnertwin]

Kenobi vs Vader was a car crash. There are better fan made videos on YouTube. Seriously -check out SC38 reimagined.

My favourite moments of EP3 included Darth Vader running around the mounds faster than Kenobi so that he could cut him off and strike a pose.

What was that business with the fire? I'll use the Force to topple this thing over, set it alight... damn, Obi has some great fire proof robes on... what's that? A sniper.... where did that moving-at-snail-pace droid come from? It's picking up Obi Wan... wait... is he rescuing him? Damn fire. I can't get through it. Should I send my troopers around it? No... if only I was the dark lord of an ancient religion that could manipulate people and objects around me...
Better stand still and look intimidating instead.

Lol stop drinking the coolaid, people

[GoktimusPrime]

Obi-Wan is supposed to be a crap fighter at this stage. He's a broken man; this is meant to be the lowest point of his life. This is why Episode IV was called "A New Hope," in order for Luke Skywalker to be the New Hope, the others must be in a place where there is no hope. Where there is darkness, to which Luke will be the light *(the name "Luke" means 'light-giver'). So yeah... the fight being a wreck? That's the point. This is similar to how Ahsoka Tano was initially a really annoying character that a lot of viewers complained about; but in hindsight we can see that that was the whole point of the character. In order for Ahsoka to grow, she had to start from a "low" point. Because the opposite of this is a Mary Sue like Rey Palpatine Skywalker.

The fire-proofness was pretty weird, I will give you that. As for why Vader didn't just send his troops through the flames (or charge in himself; he's survived worse... dude lives on a volcano world); I reckon that he was toying with Obi-Wan. He doesn't want to kill Kenobi, at least not straight away. He wants him to suffer. It's of limited consequence if Obi-Wan escapes, because really, he's of no threat to Vader or the Empire (as far as Vader can tell). This is a broken man who isn't hardly even a Jedi anymore. This is similar to how General Grievous used to toy with his prey in the Tatarkovsky Clone Wars series ("Run, Jedi, run.").

I think that a lot of this will make more sense as the series progresses. After all, a lot of fans hated Ahsoka Tano when she first debuted in the Filoni Clone Wars series; but she was meant to be a flawed character so that she could develop. Now she's a widely beloved character who's getting her own series.