Aliens

[LordCyrusOmega]

I think we as humans we need to re-evaluate what 'life' is. We think of life as appearing in carbon form but that doesn't mean life can evolve from some other base element.

Light speed. Apparantly it can't be done because it violates Einsteins theory of relativity. Nothing can or will move faster then the speed of light.
Black Holes are named because nothing can escape them even light. Yet Hawking Radiation does escape them. If light is the fastest speed in the universe and nothing can move faster then light then where does that leave Hawking Radiation? It moves fast enough to escape a Black Hole and yet Light can not.

[Demonac]

Light speed. Apparantly it can't be done because it violates Einsteins theory of relativity. Nothing can or will move faster then the speed of light.
Black Holes are named because nothing can escape them even light. Yet Hawking Radiation does escape them. If light is the fastest speed in the universe and nothing can move faster then light then where does that leave Hawking Radiation? It moves fast enough to escape a Black Hole and yet Light can not.

I don't think that's how Hawking Radiation works.

[Hursticon]

Have you seen or read Ghost In The Shell? I think you'd like it. It aired on SBS earlier this week. If you haven't seen it I recommend picking it up from a comic store or on DVD. I'd lend you my comic book, but it's in Japanese.

Oh yeah man, I've seen that stunning Anime and it's sequel a number of times and I thoroughly love them both.
Much like the scene with The Architect, both OVAs require a couple of sittings to fully digest the amount of philosophy and theory contained within them.

Great, great OVAs and I imagine the Manga would be even better.
(Damn my linguistic ineptitude! )

We haven't even fully explored our own planet, let alone space. e.g. the ocean depths still remain a mystery to us - it's not uncommon for people to discover new species. We know so little about species like the giant squid -- most of the specimens we've seen have been juveniles. Sightings of full grown adults have been rare.

Indeed, I often wonder what things we'd discover if the sorts of money being thrown at outward exploration, were to be thrown at inward investigation.
I love hearing about new specie discoveries as I like the idea that there are still places, above water , that have yet to have a Human in or around it's presence for at least 1000 years.

The immense resources and cost required to even travel to Earth from the nearest galaxy would make occasional visits impractical unless they were able to profit from coming here (e.g. conquest, plundering resources etc.).

I whole heartedly agree Goki, hence why I believe if we were ever to be visited we would most likely never live long enough to know about it.
(The zoo analogy is a rather optimistic view IMO )

Imagine if we discovered the existence of an intelligent but primitive alien species in Alpha Centauri -- say with the cognitive level of chimpanzees. Would we bother to spend zillions of dollars to send a mission to study these creatures if there were nothing to gain? If they had something we wanted, like say Unobtainium, then we'd colonise them. If they resisted, we'd happily displace them (or even annihilate them).

Exactly dude, for our current culture - The only thing that would keep us going back is money or the prospect of it.


We as a species, have an exceedingly long way to go.

[Autocon]

Actually, the vast majority of 'UFO' sightings is the planet Venus.
Other things I'd put above aliens: wildlife, commercial aircraft, shooting stars, satellites, drugs.

have u watched: I Know What I Saw?

id like to know how accurate this dvd is, its very compelling

[Autocon]

@Autocon: They could indeed be studying us but I IMO doubt this because what could they possibly learn from us? - Just by visiting they will of displayed how vastly superior to us they are, so it would be more likely that they'd be visiting a zoo of sorts.
[B]

Excactly lol We're going on holidays! Going to visit the planet called Dirt with those fleshy humans!

[GoktimusPrime]

Light speed. Apparantly it can't be done because it violates Einsteins theory of relativity. Nothing can or will move faster then the speed of light.

Theoretically subatomic particles like tachyons might be able to move faster than the speed of light. That's the theory behind faster than light propulsion systems, like warp drives.

Black Holes are named because nothing can escape them even light. Yet Hawking Radiation does escape them. If light is the fastest speed in the universe and nothing can move faster then light then where does that leave Hawking Radiation? It moves fast enough to escape a Black Hole and yet Light can not.

All forms of electromagnetic radiation (including light) can travel at the speed of light (in a vacuum). That's why in the book Transformers and Philosophy (available now from all good book stores!) and as discussed in the discussion thread about this book, it's more logical that visitation from an alien species would be from a non-biological species; because biological species would be too frail to survive vast travel through space unless:

+ They use suspended animation
+ They fold space (like in Macross/Robotech or Event Horizon) -- the Transwarp Drive technology used in Beast Wars appears to be use some kind of space fold (as we see a kind of 'wormhole' appear.
+ They use faster-than-light propulsion (e.g. warp drive, hyperdrive etc.)

But robotic forms of life like Transformers can easily survive vast travels through space because they're effectively immortal (Transformers, like elves, are long lived and only die if slain). Look at movieverse Megatron -- he flew under his own power from Cybertron to Earth in pursuit of the AllSpark!! As Transformers and Philosophy also points out, an even higher form of life than robotic life would be energy. Beings made from energy themselves - if they exhibited similar properties as electromagnetic radiation or even subatomic particles, move at or beyond the speed of light. The Vok are possibly an example of energy beings; they did say that they have no physical form (hence why they appeared to Optimus Primal in the form of Unicron's head and later made contact through their emissary Tigerhawk). Although Vok transmissions apparently still use some kind of space fold/wormhole thing. <shrug>



...oh, and Drift can also travel beyond the speed of light... just cos ya know... he's Drift.
"That's why I hate science fiction!"

[Demonac]

have u watched: I Know What I Saw?

I'd like to know how accurate this dvd is, its very compelling

I'll watch it later today.

[Demonac]

I've watched the first part of the documentary, and I can't say I'm impressed.
Regarding the Phoenix Lights, did they bother to look up Mitch Stanley?
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1997-...-ufo-cover-up/
Here, they have an answer from someone who saw the lights with a telescope, yet they pretend he didn't exist.
How many astronomers (amateur & professional) are interviewed in this 'doco'?

[LordCyrusOmega]

I don't think that's how Hawking Radiation works.

The logic works for me. Of course i never did finish Leonard Susskind book "The black hole war". Got as far as The Holographic Principle and couldn't continue.

While Hawking Radiation can be used to describe entropy and black holes it still escapes them while light can not.

[klystron]

Theoretically subatomic particles like tachyons might be able to move faster than the speed of light. That's the theory behind faster than light propulsion systems, like warp drives.

Depending upon which theory (or theories) you subscribe to will determine whether you think tachyons are likely to be too unstable to exist.
And even if they did, they could probably only be used for the FTL transmission of information, which would lead to violations of the causality principle.
Google the "tachyon telephone paradox."

Nothing moves faster than the speed of light.