What colours are Frenzy and Rumble (FIRRIB?)

[KaRNiV8L PRiME]

Just wanted to see who Do you call Frenzy and Rumble as there are valid arguments for both.

An acronym sometimes bandied about by fans, FIRRIB means "Frenzy is red, Rumble is blue". The phrase originated on alt.toys.transformers circa 1994, essentially as a (largely joking) rallying cry for those who favored the original cartoon over various other media portrayals of the Transformers. In time, the counterpoint FIBRIR emerged, standing for "Frenzy is blue, Rumble is red". The forms RIBFIR and RIRFIB are also known.

The debate revolves around the colors of the Decepticon Mini-Cassettes, Rumble and Frenzy. It was Hasbro's intent that Rumble be black and red, and Frenzy be two shades of blue. These color schemes are used in the toyline, Marvel Comics and many storybooks and ancillary media from the early years of Generation 1, and naturally, it was intended for the cartoon series to render the characters in this manner as well (as proven by the show's production bible, which identifies Rumble as the "red robot"). However, as a result of some unspecified error somewhere in production, the two robots had their color schemes swapped, leaving the animated incarnation of Rumble blue, and Frenzy red.

Due to the widespread recognition the cartoon received, the concept of Rumble as the blue robot was ingrained into the minds of many viewers. As such, years later, fans would argue vehemently (though often tongue-in-cheek) over which coloration was "correct", based mainly on their personal preference for the cartoon or comic.

The FIRRIB movement was codified by a cartoon fan named Scott Wells in 1994, who coined the acronym FIRRIB. The FIRRIB idea quickly caught on with other cartoon fans on alt.toys.transformers, frequently appearing in signature files; its counterpoint, the comic- and toy-based FIBRIR, soon appeared as well. After endless discussion threads fueled by little more than personal preference, the subject eventually landed in the group's FAQ file as a do-not-ask question.

The Japanese dub of the Generation 1 cartoon rectified the error, making the animation match the toys by simply switching the characters' names around.
As later incarnations of the characters draw on both the cartoon and toys as influences, the waters have become muddier still:

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[Hursticon]

Though this will probably fall into the irresolvable category, have you thought about applying a Poll to this thread dude?

*Edit: You just did.

[LordCyrusOmega]

I grew up with the cartoon so Rumble will always be blue. However I've learned to reconcile that his toy is red.
What about a Frenzy is Grey option?

[Skullcruncher]

Same - I grew up with the cartoon so rumble will be blue/purple. Only found out when I started to collect the toys(2 1/2 years ago) they were around the other way.

[gamblor916]

Can and worms come to mind for some reason.

[liegeprime]

RIRFIB. I base it from the toy, the toons are full of innaccuracies anyhow. hhehehe

[Sky Shadow]

Just wanted to see who Do you call Frenzy and Rumble as there are valid arguments for both.

As I said the past, like, seventeen times this question was asked:

"Almost all the time, Frenzy is the blue one.

In his first appearance anywhere - in the Marvel comics - Frenzy is blue (well - Nel Yomtov blue, anyway). Frenzy's G1 toy is blue and the toys were designed first. In the Dreamwave and IDW comics Frenzy is blue. In Music Label Transformers Frenzy is blue. In the Japanese cartoon Frenzy is blue.

The only time it could be correct to say that Frenzy is the red one is if you're talking about his half-a-dozen cartoon appearances, a couple of Devils Due G.I. Joe vs. The Transformers comics and his Diamond Select statue. If anyone says he's red in any other situation than those handful of instances, it's incorrect - particularly if they say the red toy is Frenzy, which is dead wrong."

Since I wrote that, Rumble has been the blue Generations toy, but the red United toy while Frenzy is the blue United one. And for some reason, IDW has recently started swapping the colours of Rumble and Frenzy (but since they can't even draw their characters using the same character model from issue to issue, this is perhaps to be expected.)

I still cannot believe the excessive number of people in their thirties who still dogmatically say "Rumble is the blue one" based on a colouring/naming error in the US cartoon. Did people really never look at a toy catalogue or the toys on the shelf?

[Skullcruncher]

I still cannot believe the excessive number of people in their thirties who still dogmatically say "Rumble is the blue one" based on a colouring/naming error in the US cartoon. Did people really never look at a toy catalogue or the toys on the shelf?

I still can't belive the excessive number of people who think everyone cares about every single transformer medium/universe! They could be green and orange in the comics or catalogue for all I care.

[Sky Shadow]

I still can't belive the excessive number of people who think everyone cares about every single transformer medium/universe! They could be green and orange in the comics or catalogue for all I care.

One of them was orange in the oh-so-credible cartoon.

[kup]

I still cannot believe the excessive number of people in their thirties who still dogmatically say "Rumble is the blue one" based on a colouring/naming error in the US cartoon. Did people really never look at a toy catalogue or the toys on the shelf?

It's called geewunist yeuk disorder