Vector Sigma / Transmetal Driver

[Verno]

Ok, so reading over some TF Wiki stuff, which is just a mish-mash of everything...

Primus and Unicron share a mental link of some kind it seems? Thus why Primus is asleep, so Unicron can't sense him. But when Primus let out his Primal Scream after being shot in the head by some ricochet off Grimlock, Unicron momentarily sensed him, correct?

Something made mention of an Omniversal Matrix, where all the other old Gods are, but Primus isn't allowed to pass there until he defeats Unicron. I don't know what continuity this comes from, but the idea of other Gods is intersting.

My mind says:

Long before he created the Transformers, Primus tried to simply create new Gods, the Lords of Light. Unicron created his armies of Darkness or whatnot. They fought and all perished because they weren't strong enough as you can't create a new God over night.

Unicron and Primus continued to fight before Primus did his old trick of trapping each of them in a planetoid.

Primus then lay his plans for the original 13 Transformers and the creation of the Swarm/Vok to eventually evolve to such a strength and intelligence that they would help him battle Unicron and would be able to defeat him and take both Primus' and Unicron's place as God of the Transformers.

Millenia pass.

When the Vok piggy-backed back to the All Spark/Matrix with Tarantulas' spark, this awoke Primus from his slumber, and whatever level of consiousness this mental connection between Unicron and Primus is on, is where they battled it out.

Unicron mortally wounds Primus, who now lays dying, pleading for his creation to take up arms against his foe, Unicron. The Vok do, evolving to their final stage as a God and get a new snazzy name, lets call him Voxus for the moment, and he kills Unicron on this level of consciousness, as in the real world the Maximals and Predacons battle Unicron's Cybertronian Empire recruits who he has reanimated (Galvatrin style).

Unicron passes into the Void or to the Omniversal Matrix with his other God brethren, and Voxus and Primus have a little chat before Primus too finally joins his brothers and sisters in Valhalla and can be at peace knowing his creations are safe and sound.

Unicron had sunk his horns deep into Cybertron, so the two were joined. An emence power erupts from the centre of Cybertron, reformatting everything and combining the two planetoids into one big thing, like two moons being joined by 2 enormous highways if you will.

TransTech.

The thing practically writes itself.

[GoktimusPrime]

Ok, so reading over some TF Wiki stuff, which is just a mish-mash of everything...

TFwiki is okay as a guide - but they're ultimately just summarising stuff.

Primus and Unicron share a mental link of some kind it seems? Thus why Primus is asleep, so Unicron can't sense him. But when Primus let out his Primal Scream after being shot in the head by some ricochet off Grimlock, Unicron momentarily sensed him, correct?

Yup.

Something made mention of an Omniversal Matrix, where all the other old Gods are, but Primus isn't allowed to pass there until he defeats Unicron. I don't know what continuity this comes from, but the idea of other Gods is intersting.

As TFwiki describes it, the Omniversal Matrix is much like a home and final resting place for Gods, much like say Olympus or Asgard.

My mind says:

Long before he created the Transformers, Primus tried to simply create new Gods, the Lords of Light. Unicron created his armies of Darkness or whatnot. They fought and all perished because they weren't strong enough as you can't create a new God over night.

In official canon Primus and Unicron cannot create other gods. Primus rebuilt his metal-rich asteroid into Cybertron (which is a whole story unto itself) and Unicron reshaped his into the transforming robot body we're familiar with. Primus then created 13 life forms; and much like Unicron, they were robots with the ability to transform. Unicron is not a creator god, he only destroys. Remember that Unicron hates creation and longs to be one with the Void, which he has accomplished several times over (i.e. he has destroyed the universe before, and each time it's reborn he seeks out to destroy it again). Unicron finds creation to be nauseating and frustrating... he longs for the peace and tranquility of the Void.

So because Unicron is unable to create, he makes minions by rebuilding other life forms. e.g. Galvatron, Cyclonus, Scourge, Hook (not the Constructicon), Line and Sinker were all remade from pre-existing beings. Unicron is also able to psychically enslave beings; as he did with Death's Head and the Junkions. But he cannot create.

Unicron and Primus continued to fight before Primus did his old trick of trapping each of them in a planetoid.

Primus then lay his plans for the original 13 Transformers and the creation of the Swarm/Vok to eventually evolve to such a strength and intelligence that they would help him battle Unicron and would be able to defeat him and take both Primus' and Unicron's place as God of the Transformers.

The Swarm was an accidental and unintended by-product of the Cybertronian Empire... unless you wanna go down the path of it being something "foretold" by Primus. But it seems like a cumbersome plan to have the Swarm go forth and destroy life (the one thing that Primus is trying to protect) with a particular hunger for Cybertronian life, before finally evolving into the Vok thanks to a very risky decision made by Optimus Prime. :/ Remember that in G2 Megatron had previously ripped the Matrix out of Prime's body with his bare hands, then it fell into Starscream's possession who used it to power him up and merge him with Warworld, then he tried to kill both Prime and Megatron. Fortunately for Prime, Megatron agreed to team up with him and Starscream agreed to return the Matrix to Prime. But it could have very easily gone the other way and Prime may never have gotten the Matrix back and the Swarm could have wiped out all the Transformers (as well as all life on Earth)!

When the Vok piggy-backed back to the All Spark/Matrix with Tarantulas' spark, this awoke Primus from his slumber, and whatever level of consiousness this mental connection between Unicron and Primus is on, is where they battled it out.

This could work if you ignored the whole Undead Tarantulas story arc. Vernoverse in action, yes?

Unicron mortally wounds Primus, who now lays dying, pleading for his creation to take up arms against his foe, Unicron.

Erm... if you look at the way Unicron killed Primus in G1... there's no way Primus would have time to say anything to his creations! BOOM! Then again, Primus had manifested himself in the mortal body of Emirate Xaaron - cos in G1 he was stuck in the core of Cybertron.

I'd like to see something more like Transformers Cybertron -- have Cybertron transform into Primus and make 'em go toe to toe in God-Robot modes! Phwoar!!

The Vok do, evolving to their final stage as a God and get a new snazzy name, lets call him Voxus for the moment, and he kills Unicron on this level of consciousness, as in the real world the Maximals and Predacons battle Unicron's Cybertronian Empire recruits who he has reanimated (Galvatrin style).

Or maybe the Vok power up Primus, enabling Cybertron to transform.
(can you tell that I always make my stories up from a toy-play POV? )

Unicron passes into the Void or to the Omniversal Matrix with his other God brethren, and Voxus and Primus have a little chat before Primus too finally joins his brothers and sisters in Valhalla and can be at peace knowing his creations are safe and sound.

He wouldn't pass into the Void, because the Void only exists when Unicron succeeds in destroying the universe. Not sure if he can join the Omniversal Matrix though because he is a Fallen God. One would assume that his energy just disappates as Dark Angolmois Energy... that's what normally happens anyway.

Unicron had sunk his horns deep into Cybertron, so the two were joined. An emence power erupts from the centre of Cybertron, reformatting everything and combining the two planetoids into one big thing, like two moons being joined by 2 enormous highways if you will.

TransTech.

The thing practically writes itself.

So... two spherical planets pushed together... wouldn't it kinda look like metal bum cheeks? Actually, the two planets would probably destroy each other in the collision I'd imagine...

[Verno]

It's all in the Vernoverse mate, I'm just throwing a few ideas around.

And see the attachment for what I mean about the joined planetoids. Can't you just see a TransTech Cheetor burning across one of the horn highways?!

[GoktimusPrime]

Looks kinky.

Ermm... wouldn't the gravitational pull of Cybertron and Unicron pull them closer together? Even if the horns are strong enough to withstand said pull, then wouldn't the two poles facing each other still be tearing at each other? It would certainly make running across those horns a massive challenge because... well, it'd be like running up a vertical wall - fighting against gravity. But only here with two conflicting gravity fields, it could possibly tear Cheetor apart.

I don't even want to think about how this would effect Cybertron's orbit!

[Verno]

Since when has sound scientific fact been paramount to Transformers stories?

We can technoform an entire planet into cyber-grass at the end of BM, but we can't have a dual-sphered new Cybertron to inhabit? Geez.

There is a lot of symmetry and poles and opposites in Transformers history and folk lore.

Primus and Unicron.

Good and Bad.

Prime and Megatron.

Autobot Decepticon.

And... the Vok have always been displayed as two floating heads. Two. Not one, not three, but two.

Voxus would be replacing two Gods at the beginning of (my interpretation of) TransTech.

Funny how I set out to simply skip BM with a rational, logical story, but have to go right to the root of TF folklore to do so.

[GoktimusPrime]

I'm sorry, but I find this rather amusing...
On one hand you're saying that you're dedicated to skipping the very unpopular Beast Machines (and I think noone can deny that) and replace it with a more rational and logical story - re:

Funny how I set out to simply skip BM with a rational, logical story, but have to go right to the root of TF folklore to do so.

But then on the other hand, you're willing to totally suspend disbelief by having Unicron humping Cybertron, cos ya know - it's as equally plausible/ridiculous as a technorganic Cybertron that we saw at the end of BM...

Since when has sound scientific fact been paramount to Transformers stories?

We can technoform an entire planet into cyber-grass at the end of BM, but we can't have a dual-sphered new Cybertron to inhabit? Geez.

...ya know, that irrational and illogical story you're trying to get away from? lol

So basically, the answer to how the new Cybertron-Unicron combined planet could possibly exist is...




Sorry dude... but I thought that was funny

There is a lot of symmetry and poles and opposites in Transformers history and folk lore.

Primus and Unicron.

Good and Bad.

Prime and Megatron.

Autobot Decepticon.

Hasbro and Mattel...

And... the Vok have always been displayed as two floating heads. Two. Not one, not three, but two.

Voxus would be replacing two Gods at the beginning of (my interpretation of) TransTech.

I don't see anything inherently wrong with this concept. There are times when lesser Gods have replaced mightier Gods (e.g. Olympians ousting the Titans). But I would question whether or not the creation of the Swarm/Vok was ever part of Primus' "plan" -- because if so, it's not a logical good one.

[Verno]

As shown below:

Unicron eats planets.



So if Cybertron is of equal size to Unicron...

Unicron's essence is destroyed as he begins to devour Cybertron. The two of them are then reformatted (using Transmetal technology which is much more advanced than normal metal used it Transformers technology up to this point) and joined. Thats not so hard to understand, is it? Or does being a teacher remove all traces of imagination and ability to suspend disbelief?

I'm trying to set a new beginning for Transformers to start and move on from, because for the past 20 years, Transformers has just gone around in circles, rehashing the same characters into a new universe which just results in a blur of influences and confusing 'canonological' events. G1, G2, Jap stuff, Armada, RID, Movie-Verse, US Comics, UK Comics, IDW...

Same sh!t, different universes, and none of which fits coherently together; I'm trying to make one that works from beginning to end (start).

When we did get a chance to move forward with the story, Beast Machines ruined any chance of that happening before we got to a point we could do so from: TransTech.

I'm simply trying to correct that, so give a guy a break for being passionate about it, and operating outside the square boxes of 'canon' and 'scientific fact'.

Science fiction. Science fiction.

[GoktimusPrime]

Sorry dude, I didn't mean to rain on your parade. Good luck to you.

[Hursticon]

Just a quick input on the Cybertron/Unicron Orbit or con-joining issue:
When I read your thought Verno, this is what entered my mind for the birth/upgrade/reformat of TransTech.

[Verno]

Cool clip there Hursty.

I still like the craziness of a double-orbed planetoid, even if the science doesn't suggest it's possible. But we've seen Unicron standing on Cybertron before, lets not get too wrapped up in physics