Vector Sigma / Transmetal Driver

[GoktimusPrime]

Well, if you're going to go with your own continuity (and drawing select elements from canonical sources) then you're pretty free to do as you like.

Alright Gok, lets dance.

Hey hey, watch that hand!

Could the Maximals not simply be a small fighting force, like the Wreckers? But their popularity grew? Perhaps they were the first to have the mini-bot/protoform upgrade/downsizing, and became a very efficient fighting force?

That's an interesting idea.

Suggestion: make it a hodge-podge crew of various Micromasters from different teams rather than sticking to Hasbro's pre-defined team. e.g. Swindler, Fixit, Powertrain, Groundshaker, Atlan etc. (just some random names off the top of my head) - that's one thing I enjoyed with the commando teams that Furman made in G1, they were random assortments. In the G1 cartoon they usually stuck with pre-defined sub groups from the toyline (e.g. Dinobots, Constructicons, Aerialbots etc.), but in the G1 comics they mixed them up more. e.g. The Wreckers had Deluxe Autobots with Jumpstarters with Triple Changers, the Decepticon Mayhem Attack Squad had Triggercons with Small Targetmasters (but not Quake) with Pretender Beasts etc., the Survivors had various random Autobots and a Decepticon among their ranks! et al. Maybe they picked the best Micromaster warriors, regardless of which team they had been previously assigned to and assembled them as a secret crack unit known as the Maximals - perhaps as a Micromaster off-shoot of the Wreckers hand picked by Springer to assist the Wreckers?

... just a thought.

So if Unicron appeared in BW Neo or II, I don't care. And if he was destroyed? Good for him. But in this little story, he's out in the depths of space, blackmailing a creature (could be another Primacron) into building him a new body.

Unicron did appear in Anglophone continuity too (re: Shokoract arc).

Don't misquote Tarantulas. He says his origins are different to the Transformers on the Ark, and destroying it will have no affect on him. He's still a Transformer though.

He, and the Tripredacus Council, were part of the Cybertronian Empire, who left Cybertron well before the Great War and the time of Prime and megatron, and minions of the Liege Maximo. They were reformatted by Unicron thus becoming Unicron Spawn. I've got all the bases covered here. I'll draw you a diagram if you wish But the important bit is: They are still Transformers. they're not some alien race.

Well, Tarantulas did explicitly say that the destruction of the Ark would only affect Transformers descendant from Autobots and Decepticons and that he and Tripredacus shared different origins, then later Megatron referred to Tarantulas as "Unicron spawn," and it's since been officially retconned as literally meaning that.

But in the "Vernoverse" if you wanna go with the Cybertronian Empire origin, that can work too.

Isn't Razorclaw shown still to be alive in one of the recent BotCon comics? He was an exclusive toy not long ago. So I feel free to still have him alive.

Yeah, fair point.

Want to know what the Tripredacus Council actually want?

Twinkies?

They were tortured and reformatted by Unicron, right? They know he'll eventually make another play for Cybertron and to kill his brother Primus. They intend to blackmail him with TransWarp technology, because they know exactly where he was when he was weak and could go back and destroy him then. They wish to be almost Gods themselves. Or as close to, having Unicron act out their will because they have leverage on him.

They ultimately fail though.

Heh, sounds similar to G1's Target: 2006 and the Time Wars. (great stories)

I like the idea too. I thought it was more like Hiroshima and Nagasaki myself, but sure.

Yeah, fairly similar. The Americans did copy the British in using Gunboat Diplomacy when Commodore Matthew Perry sailed into Edo Harbour with their heavily armed "Goodwill Fleet" and "persuaded" Japan to open herself up to the rest of the world.

But the British were extremely efficient in it - they called it Pax Brittania, Latin for "British Peace"; so "Pax Cybertronia" sounds like Latin for "Cybertronian Peace"... but how 'peaceful' is it really? After all, in Beast Machines the Vehicons did achieve peace... through tyranny.

As far as I'm aware, Ironhide and Prowl were killed by Megatron on an Autobot shuttle in the '86 Movie. "Such heroic nonsence". If they were brought back, well, they might just have been killed again.

That sucks for them! They were also killed in the Underbase Saga, then ressurected in the Earthforce Saga... and I don't think they were killed off since. Prowl somehow got infused with Nucleon and became a motorbike-riding Action Master. But hey... it's possible that they could've been killed at a later point. Ironhide did have 2 different G2 toys (Power Master and Go-Bot). <shrugs>

2. That contradicts what happens in Beast Wars: The gathering, where Magmatron puts Ravage's Spark into a new body and creates Tripredacus Agent. Contradictions all over the place.

Yeah, but the IDW BW comics have several contradictions with the animated continuity.

I don't hold much stead in the BotCon comics, they serve their own purpose.

Be that as it may, it's still official canon.

Contradictions all over the place, thus giving me even more leverage to make up my own story.

Well, mostly contradictions with IDW it seems. That's the main thing I didn't like with the IDW BW comics, especially the Ascending - on their own they're nice stories, but continuity wise they're a headache.

But hey, since you're cherry-picking canonical references for your "Vernoverse" story... feel free to pick and choose what you like.

Carry on his stead after he was gone?

Yup. RE: "On The Edge of Extinction." That's also when Primus was slain by Unicron.

No, that falls to the Vok in this case. The Transformers are to protect his slumbering conciousness and wield the Matrix against the physical form of Unicron. Ultimately, the battle will end on the astral plane, and so much time has passed since G1 and BW, so both of them could have reappeared on the astral plane.

Erm... okay, that contradicts with Anglophone G1 continuity. Also, Primus and Unicron are unable to return to the astral plane, regardless of how much time has passed. They left the astral plane and came to this reality around the "dawn of time" -- I don't think a couple more centuries would do anything. There's no expiration date on how long they'll be imprisoned in this universe; Primus saw to that... he made sure that neither he nor Unicron could escape this reality (and thus contain the conflict within a single multiversal plane instead of potentially infinite ones).

Anyway... your universe... do as you like.

This is basically my own Universe. As I said, I'm drawing on some canon, some non-canon, and making other stuff up.

Yeah, that's what most fan-fic writers do. I personally prefer in-canon stories, but that's just my preference.

I'm just trying to make a story that is logical and works from the 'end' of G1 and the Great War to the evolution of TransTech.

Well I guess that depends on how fussy you wanna get about canonical "logic." If you want to be more liberal and cherry-pick what you like from canonical sources, then you're basically following your own customised chain of logic really.

Questions?

What is the atomic weight of Boron?