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    For those yet to see Armada, or all of it, there are spoilers in here.

    I got the entire Unicron trilogy (Armada, Energon, Cybertron) in the mail last week, and have started watching them from start to finish. I don't think I missed any Armada episodes first time around, but I do know I missed a few Energon episodes, because it was so boring.
    That said, the next few weeks will be condensing about 4 years worth of Transformers for me, and I wanted to share, and get your comments and opinions too. And if anyone else has the series on DVD, have a re-watch and add your own comments as well.

    Armada was another tangent for Transformers, like Beast Wars and Robots in Disguise before it. I remember seeing the first episode at BotCon 2002, as an advance sneak peek (they had only finished recording the voices the day before, and hadn't yet done the opening and closing credits). They also gave out a free deluxe toy and a free Minicon pack for each at the screening dinner. That advance release of the toys made those Armada figures more special for me, and drew me into Armada more than most other series did.

    That special bond aside, the cartoon itself was a bit of a let down.

    Most longtime (older) fans were a bit put off by the whole kiddie 'pokemon' theme to it - having to race around, hunting for Minicons. In some ways, Armada had a younger theme than Animated does, and which attracted the same responce by a lot of longtime (older) fans.

    But it was a new series, and new concept, that led to a huge resurgence in Transformers as a whole, even though the cartoon itself appears to have been rushed. Or at least, the English dub of the cartoon, as it is riddled with errors. Mostly from different writers translating the episodes and not coordinating with the other writers.

    The cartoon also utilises a LOT of stock footage, to reduce the workload on the animators.

    I'm actually finding it more fun watching it 6 years later, probably because there isn't the big gap between each episode of a weekly screening. This way, the not-too-exciting cartoon isn't as drawn out, and I get to see more plot in a much shorter period of time.

    Okay, I won't be doing reviews or anything too lengthy. Just some notes on each episode, that I have jotted down while having the episodes playing as I'm on the computer. Actually, with very little happening in each episode, the brief descriptions I give cover the main plot anyway.

    Armada was just one season of 52 episodes, but was released in 2 parts with 26 episodes to each part, on four discs. It was still labelled 'season one' though, despite being the only season.

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    Season 1, Part 1, Disc 1, Episodes 1-7.

    1 - First Encounter
    Basic Introduction of human characters and story premise.
    Intro - Rad, Carlos, Alexis, Fred, Billy, Highwire, Megatron, Optimus Prime/Super Optimus.
    Errors/confusion/notes:
    -The narration of the openning back-story doesn't match the animation. The story has the war ending and the Minicons leaving, but the animation shows the war raging right until they leave.
    -Difficult to believe that the Decepticons would have agreed to banishing the Minicons and their power.
    -Just how much Cybertronian 'junk' has managed to crash on Earth, this one small planet in the universe, throughout all the history of Transformers?

    Minicon count:
    Autobots (1) - Highwire.
    Decepticons (0) - (none).

    2 - Metamorphosis
    Introduction of main primary TFs characters.
    Intro - Hotshot, Red Alert, Starscream, Cyclonus, Demolishor, Leader-1, Sureshot, Grindor.
    Errors/confusion/notes:
    -Of all the hundreds of Minicons, Megatron just happens to find the one he was once paired with.
    -Why would Decepticons, or Autobots even, have been partnered to one Minicon, if they are tools to be used and swapped at will?
    -It was a mistake having the Minicons only communicating by beeps. It created inconsistency with how the kids understood them, and made it more confusing for the younger (and older) viewers.

    Minicon count:
    Autobots (3) - Highwire, Sureshot, Grindor.
    Decepticons (1) - Leader-1.

    3 - Base
    Introductions amongst the cast, Laserbeak given to the kids.
    Intro - Jolt, Longarm, Crumplezone (animation error?), Blackout, Laserbeak.
    Errors/confusion/notes:
    -I think the Minicon panel Cyclonus found, contained Blackout, and it was an animation error to have Crumplezone sitting on his shoulder while Blackout is being released. Because only one Minicon panel was recovered, and in the next episode, Cyclonus comments that he doesn't yet have one.
    -If all Minicons are powerful, why doesn't anyone use Highwire, Sureshock and Grindor, or try to capture them? The cartoon strictly follows the toys pairings, as if each TF is only genetically compatable to a particular Minicon. And as such, certain TFs seem to be conveniently finding their old Minicons from thousands of years ago.
    -The Autobot base is the remnants of the crashed Minicon Ship, but is in really good condition. The Decepticons are using the Minicon wreck on the Moon as their base, which is really trashed.
    -The kids are given uniforms... what for?
    -Optimus isn't very convincing in differenciating between the way Autobots and Decepticons would 'use' the Minicons for their war.

    Minicon count:
    Autobots (5) - Highwire, Sureshot, Grindor, Jolt, Longarm.
    Decepticons (3) - Leader-1, Crumplezone, Blackout.

    4 - Comrade
    Hunt and release of Sparkplug in a giant canyon.
    Intro - Sparkplug, Perceptor.
    Errors/confusion/notes:
    -Jolt and Longarm were introduced last episode, but don't even appear to exist yet in this episode.
    -Cyclonus says he doesn't yet have a Minicon, but had Crumplezone sitting on his shoulder in the last episode.
    -Sparkplug is called Leader-1 by Optimus and Rad.
    -Optimus also 'miraculously' manages to find the one minicon that he used to be partnered with. What are the odds of that happening, yet again?
    -Hotshot is called Hotrod.
    -Hotshot is trapped in car mode between boulders, but could have transformed to get out.
    -Megatron 'introduces' his Minicon (again), as if it was not revealed or used before.
    -Hotshot uses his front grabber claws without a Minicon, but it's the gimmick that requires a Minicon to activate.

    Minicon count:
    Autobots (6) - Highwire, Sureshot, Grindor, Jolt, Longarm, Sparkplug.
    Decepticons (3) - Leader-1, Crumplezone, Blackout.

    5 - Soldier
    Hunt and retrieval of Jetstorm in Antarctica.
    Intro - Prime's trailer command base, Jetstorm (not yet able to be released from its panel)
    Errors/confusion/notes:
    -The much colder deep space doesn't affect these guys, but the cold of the antarctic freezes up Optimus Prime's systems.
    -Starscream should have transformed and grabbed the Minicon when he saw it, if he was that desperate for one, but flies off and fights Hotshot.
    -Starscream can fly in robot mode, but has to hold onto the cliff-face, and falls into the crevas when knocked off.

    Minicon count:
    Autobots (7) - Highwire, Sureshot, Grindor, Jolt, Longarm, Sparkplug, (Jetstorm).
    Decepticons (3) - Leader-1, Crumplezone, Blackout.

    6 - Jungle
    Hunt and release of Swindle in a forest. Starscream's treachery is more open now that he has a Minicon.
    Intro - Swindle.
    Errors/confusion/notes:
    -Sparkplug is called Leader-1 by Red Alert.
    -Starscream is again mentioned as being the only Decepticon without a Minicon, so maybe Cyclonus does already have Crumplezone, and the discovery of Blackout's panel was not shown.
    -Starscream names his Minicon, as if it isn't even sentient and has a name of its own.
    -Episode has a big green/environmental message, with emphasis on protecting the forests and protecting the earth.
    -Each Minicon is 'awakening' one at a time, but should all be coming online at the same time. Very convenient for the 'one per episode' structure.

    Minicon count:
    Autobots (7) - Highwire, Sureshot, Grindor, Jolt, Longarm, Sparkplug, (Jetstorm).
    Decepticons (4) - Leader-1, Crumplezone, Blackout, Swindle.

    7 - Carnival
    Minicons at a carnival attract unwanted attention.
    Intro - none.
    Errors/confusion/notes:
    -Swindle is called Grid by Starscream, which is the Japanese name.
    -No actual conflict between TFs, but focusses on the human kids for the kiddy viewers.

    Minicon count:
    Autobots (7) - Highwire, Sureshot, Grindor, Jolt, Longarm, Sparkplug, (Jetstorm).
    Decepticons (4) - Leader-1, Crumplezone, Blackout, Swindle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by griffin
    But it was a new series, and new concept, that led to a huge resurgence in Transformers as a whole, even though the cartoon itself appears to have been rushed. Or at least, the English dub of the cartoon, as it is riddled with errors. Mostly from different writers translating the episodes and not coordinating with the other writers.
    Armada was trashed by the horrific dubbing. I've seen both Armada and Micron Legend - Micron Legend isn't a terrific series, but it's noteably better than Armada. I have no idea if there are any subtitled versions (fan made or official) out there. Overall as far as Armada canon is concerned I much prefer the comics.

    When I listen to interviews with voice actors you can always tell that working on dubbing just isn't as fun for them as doing regular cartoon acting. It's just so restrictive on their art that they can barely get any "acting" done; I think it's reasonable to say that a lot of actors don't consider doing dubs as true voice-acting (or at best, it's very restricted voice-acting). But as Neil Kaplan (RiD Prime) once said, dubbing Optimus Prime is an easier job because he doesn't have a moving mouth to lip-sync to! There is still some voice-synching/timing required but I imagine it would be a lot easier than dubbing characters who do have mouthes.

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    i have the entire Armada collection and some energon

    its really to painful to watch them all, i just skipped to the Ferox Unicron battles and avoided Energon after the very first episode

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    Griffin please don't do this to me , it's too unbearable.....


    I strongly dislike the series, for things such as using the adjectives 'moron' & 'idiot' in cartoons, the English dub just tries to hard, too many bad elements in each episode
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    ive never seen Armada, only seen glimpses of Energon during the Cartoon network run - like only 5 random episodes. Much of Cybertron Ive watched online via Hasbro website.

    Erm where do you get the complete DVD copies of it from Griff? Armada - Cyb.
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    Regarding the Decepticons agreeing to banish the Decepticons, as I recall, it was revealed in a later episode that this was a ruse to get all the Mini-Cons in one place so they could take ALL of them. That's why the opening scene had the Mini-Con ship being hit by mines and stuff.

    However, the Autobots were able to hold off the Decepticons long enough for the Mini-Cons to warp out.


    According to BotCon 2002 reports of the time, people went crazy when they saw the reuses of G1 character models for generics, the voices of David Kaye and Garry Chalk, and of course, Armada's version of the G1 Transformers theme music.
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    (added in the Minicon counts in my first two postings, and will continue tracking them until it becomes too confusing with too many running around.)

    Season 1, Part 1, Disc 3, Episodes 15-21.

    15 - Gale
    Hotshot takes on Scavenger for a rematch after defeat in the last episode. Sideways appears with unknown motives, like Scavenger. Spiral is found and released.
    Intro - Sideways, Rook, Crosswise, Spiral.
    Errors/confusion/notes:
    -New opening narration by Megatron, instead of by Rad. Doesn't make much sence having 'Megatron' talking up the Autobots and talking negatively about the Decepticons, just for the kiddie viewers to know what is going on.
    -Fred and Billy appear to be regulars now like the other 3 kids.
    -Billy hopped on Sideways without knowing if he is an Autobot or Decepticon.
    -Optimus doesn't know of any Transformers that turn into motorcycles. He couldn't know everyone, and they change forms all the time.
    -Sideways jumps through Cyclonus' rotors to knock him out.

    Minicon count:
    Autobots (11) - Highwire, Sureshot, Grindor, Jolt, Longarm, Sparkplug, Jetstorm, Runway, Sonar, Liftor, Spiral.
    Decepticons (9) - Leader-1, Crumplezone, Blackout, Swindle, Bonecrusher, Drillbit, (Mirage/Downshift), Rook, Crosswise.

    16 - Credulous
    Hotshot and Sideways end up at the Decepticon base on the moon. Sideways reveals himself as a Decepticon. Starscream gets the Star Saber.
    Intro - none.
    Errors/confusion/notes:
    -Cyclonus is flying in helicoptor mode (with his rotor) on the moon.
    -Hotshot is out of breath. What the?
    -Hotshot surrenders the Star Saber as if it were just a sword, and not three sentient beings (Minicons).

    Minicon count:
    Autobots (8) - Highwire, Sureshot, Grindor, Jolt, Longarm, Sparkplug, Liftor, Spiral.
    Decepticons (12) - Leader-1, Crumplezone, Blackout, Swindle, Bonecrusher, Drillbit, (Mirage/Downshift), Rook, Crosswise, Jetstorm, Runway, Sonar.

    17 - Conspiracy
    Megatron plans a trap and tricks Starscream to get the Star Saber. A second Skyboom Shield Minicon panel is found.
    Intro - Mirage or Downshift (not released from its panel)
    Errors/confusion/notes:
    -There seem to be a lot less errors now that the plot starts picking up to be more than just Minicon hunting. I think the writers or editors had to pay more attention with all the new characters and double agents.
    -The Star Saber Minicons follow Starscream like pets, just as they followed Hotshot like pets, or inferior creatures.
    -Scale of the Decepticons to the trees changes from shot to shot. At one time they are the height of the trees, and then the next the trees only come up to their knees, making them look like giants.
    -Sparkplug is called Jolt by Optimus. It hasn't yet been called by it's real name yet.
    -Scavenger goes to the Autobots at the end, with Optimus claiming he was a double agent. There is no indication that he was a double agent, and even hands Megatron the latest Minicon panel before he leaves. If he really was a spy, he should have taken the Minicon, or as many as he could, with him.

    Minicon count:
    Autobots (8) - Highwire, Sureshot, Grindor, Jolt, Longarm, Sparkplug, Liftor, Spiral.
    Decepticons (13) - Leader-1, Crumplezone, Blackout, Swindle, Bonecrusher, Drillbit, (Mirage), (Downshift), Rook, Crosswise, Jetstorm, Runway, Sonar.

    18 - Trust
    The Autobots question Scavenger's loyatly, as they hunt for Minicon.
    Intro - Rollbar, (unknown).
    Errors/confusion/notes:
    -Scavenger snores as if he is breathing.
    -Drillbit is called Crumplezone by Cyclonus.
    -Scavenger powerlinks with Rollbar, but the Minicon was never shown to be discovered.
    -They don't show what Minicon is found, as the episode ends as they go off to look for it.

    Minicon count:
    Autobots (10) - Highwire, Sureshot, Grindor, Jolt, Longarm, Sparkplug, Liftor, Spiral, Rollbar, (unknown).
    Decepticons (13) - Leader-1, Crumplezone, Blackout, Swindle, Bonecrusher, Drillbit, (Mirage), (Downshift), Rook, Crosswise, Jetstorm, Runway, Sonar.

    19 - Vacation
    The four boys go off camping with Red Alert, Smokescreen and some Minicons.
    Intro - none.
    Errors/confusion/notes:
    -Alexis mentions that Scavenger can now let them know where the Decepticon base is, but Hotshot already knows.
    -Optimus uses his full truck mode to block the water, but transforms to regular mode, leaving his trailer behind.
    -Red Alert is recommended to transform, but has 2 kids inside, so wouldn't be able to.
    -The kids spend a lot of time with the Autobots. What about their parents?

    Minicon count:
    Autobots (10) - Highwire, Sureshot, Grindor, Jolt, Longarm, Sparkplug, Liftor, Spiral, Rollbar, (unknown).
    Decepticons (13) - Leader-1, Crumplezone, Blackout, Swindle, Bonecrusher, Drillbit, (Mirage), (Downshift), Rook, Crosswise, Jetstorm, Runway, Sonar.

    20 - Reinforcement
    Scavenger calls up Blurr to help the Autobots on Earth, but ends up being a liability when tracking down Dirtboss.
    Intro - Blurr, Incinerator, Dirtboss, (Mirage and Downshift released from their panels).
    Errors/confusion/notes:
    -Blurr doesn't know or have an interest in having a Minicon.
    -Blurr isn't very nice for an Autobot.
    -Dirtboss activates on his own.
    -Optimus is surprised the Decepticons are there, but it should be expected that they would be there to find the Minicon.
    -The Autobots don't recognise Swindle, and try to rescue it from the Decepticons.
    -Liftor is called Longarm by Smokescreen just five seconds after calling him Liftor.

    Minicon count:
    Autobots (10) - Highwire, Sureshot, Grindor, Jolt, Longarm, Sparkplug, Liftor, Spiral, Rollbar, (unknown), Incinerator.
    Decepticons (14) - Leader-1, Crumplezone, Blackout, Swindle, Bonecrusher, Drillbit, Mirage, Downshift, Rook, Crosswise, Jetstorm, Runway, Sonar, Dirtboss.

    21 - Decisive Battle
    Megatron takes on the Autobots with the Star Saber and Skyboom Shield. Sideways continues to covertly fight for a third party.
    Intro - (none)
    Errors/confusion/notes:
    -A one-off intro to mention the approaching meteor to the Moon, that Megatron destroys with the Skyboom Shield.
    -Skyboom Shield is called Star Saber by Megatron.
    -Sparkplug is finally named correcly, and speaks english.
    -Megatron loses the Skyboon Shield.
    -Sideways intentionally gets shot, so that no one sees him interfere to keep the battle from being one-sided.
    -The energy released by the Star Saber and Skyboom Shield goes off into space, as a beacon to someone.

    Minicon count:
    Autobots (13) - Highwire, Sureshot, Grindor, Jolt, Longarm, Sparkplug, Liftor, Spiral, Rollbar, (unknown), Incinerator, Mirage, Downshift, Dirtboss.
    Decepticons (11) - Leader-1, Crumplezone, Blackout, Swindle, Bonecrusher, Drillbit, Rook, Crosswise, Jetstorm, Runway, Sonar.
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    You're about to come up to my favourite episode, Rebellion. A pretty decent speech by Megatron at the end, well performed by David Kaye.
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    A disk a night Griffin?

    Good way to power through the first half of the series.

    really liked the idea of Sideways from this disc on, it wasn't the best execution, but the idea was awesome.
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