25th Anniversary line to continue into 2010.

[GoktimusPrime]

I can live with most of it right up until the Cybertron=originally organic bit (and the bat skeletons),

To be fair, the idea of Cybertron once being an organic (and even technorganic) world is something that originated in G1. The G1 cartoon episode "Dweller in the Depths" (1986) actually shows Cybertron's core as being organic and that the Quintessons had conducted experiments in creating technorganic life known as Trans-Organics (and as revealed in Transformers Universe, the Oracle itself was a shell program created by the Quintessons in an attempt to harness the power of Vector Sigma).

In the G1 comics Cybertron was not scratch-made by Primus, but rather both he and Unicron re-created existing planetoids into Cybertron and the physical embodiment of Unicron commonly seen in TF canon (The Legacy of Unicron! (1988)). Later we see 'technorganic' (?) creatures from the depths of Cybertron emerge, claiming to be the indigenous inhabitants of Cybertron, long before Primus remade the world as Cybertron (On the Edge of Extinction! and Still Life! (1990-1991)).

Still, the Tankor saga was cool, and Strika and the drone (and Botanica too) were awesome characters.

By "drone" I'm guessing you mean the Diagnostic Drone? He was a pretty cool character.

[Lord_Zed]

I'll never quite understand the hostility toward the idea that Cybertron was once organic or semi organic. It makes sense more sense than Cybertron just being built by someone, and as Goktimus says there were elements of this in the old toon and comic. For me it also helps explain a bit why the hell Cybertron has oxygen although even then it still makes limited sense, like most things in Transformers.

I can see why people got annoyed at the ending of Beast Machines though, that bugged me to. Although admitedly we were so far in the future at this point that the only way to generate new TF stories (that actualy involve robots in disgiuse) would be to go back in time again.

[Sleeve]

Gorlam Prime in the IDWverse was very similar.

SPOILER:- Started as organic, species began to 'evolve' into transorganic and finally fully robotic, and even changed the name of the planet to Cybertron.

[kup]

However in Marvel G1 it is explained that Primus suplanted the organic world it inhabited rather than evolved it. That is why the organic beings living at its core were secluded within. Although the planet itself was not build from scratch by Primus, what we know as cybertronians were.

[Lord_Zed]

Gorlam Prime in the IDWverse was very similar.

SPOILER:- Started as organic, species began to 'evolve' into transorganic and finally fully robotic, and even changed the name of the planet to Cybertron.

Yes I rather like that origin idea as opposed to a Godlike being or Quintesson toys.

[GoktimusPrime]

where does it show Cybertron having an organic core again? I only remember the organic stasis-pod machine and a bunch of rock caverns.

The rock caverns were part of Cybertron's organic core. In Beast Machines Cybertron's organic core is portrayed in a similar manner - rocky. They added fossils, water (which makes sense since Cybertron's atmosphere contains oxygen) and technorganic goop.

I prefer leaving God(s) out of it and just having the TFs arise as a chance evolution of sentient robots - I really like the randomness of it and the parallels to human evolution.

That's also from the G1 comics! #1 described the Transformers' origin via 'natural evolution', but it was later retconned by Simon Furman who gave us the Transformers' theological origin.

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

Bloody Furman. When the Kansas school board tries pushing ID on children we get the Flying Spaghetti Monster, when it's Furman it's fine...

Being a comic-ignorant sod I'd just figured that was a planetoid, but rocky life huh?
Do the Rock Lords have an origin story yet? 'Cos I'm seeing one Furman could get his teeth into right now...maybe with the inclusion of an irrepressible stone monkey-god, and/or a washed-up boxer with a speech impediment.

[kup]

BM Technorganics still don't fit with the G1 mythos. Primus completely suplanted what was the organic core of Cybertron - He did not use it at all to create life on the planet so there is no reason to say that Transformers as far as G1 is concerned had an organic past.

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

To be fair, the idea of Cybertron once being an organic (and even technorganic) world is something that originated in G1. The G1 cartoon episode "Dweller in the Depths" (1986) actually shows Cybertron's core as being organic and that the Quintessons had conducted experiments in creating technorganic life known as Trans-Organics (and as revealed in Transformers Universe, the Oracle itself was a shell program created by the Quintessons in an attempt to harness the power of Vector Sigma).

In the G1 comics Cybertron was not scratch-made by Primus, but rather both he and Unicron re-created existing planetoids into Cybertron and the physical embodiment of Unicron commonly seen in TF canon (The Legacy of Unicron! (1988)). Later we see 'technorganic' (?) creatures from the depths of Cybertron emerge, claiming to be the indigenous inhabitants of Cybertron, long before Primus remade the world as Cybertron (On the Edge of Extinction! and Still Life! (1990-1991)).


By "drone" I'm guessing you mean the Diagnostic Drone? He was a pretty cool character.

NOT LISTENING, LA LA LA LA LA *hides in bed with the covers over my head until the whole thing blows over*
Dweller's one of my favourite G1 Season 3 episodes, but it's been a while since I saw that episode - where does it show Cybertron having an organic core again? I only remember the organic stasis-pod machine and a bunch of rock caverns.

Yeah, the Diagnostic Drone was the one I was talking about. It still amazes me that the Mainframe animators could make such a simple model so incredibly expressive - puts the AEC trilogy to shame. And then to have Tankor co-opt it, and Megatron still defeat the Maximals while stuck in a supposedly helpless body - beautiful.

Having missed out on the comics (not a 'true fan' I know ) I prefer leaving God(s) out of it and just having the TFs arise as a chance evolution of sentient robots - I really like the randomness of it and the parallels to human evolution. The cartoon Unicron origin story, on the other hand...*despairingly pulls the covers back over my head*