GI Joe ROC movie Discussion Thread !! SPOILERS!!

[Lord_Zed]

I watched this movie last night, but I missed the beginning of the movie cos we came late. Started from about midway into the holographic video conference between Destro and G.I. Joe.

You didn't miss to much then, just Destro's great great great etc Grandad getting his mask. Admittedly this was another nice homage, but probably just confounded the mainstream audience.

The main thing that I didn't like so much was Baroness - particularly how her 'evil' persona was 'artificially induced' by Cobra Commander which included her love (?) for Destro. One thing I always liked about the original G.I. Joe story was the romance between Baroness and Destro. I was also kinda disappointed with Storm Shadow - he seemed too "bad," although not necessarily evil. I liked how the movie portrayed the murder of their Arashikage master as being somewhat ambiguous - i.e. we saw the master being slain and young Storm Shadow running away but we never actually so how he was killed. It's _looks_ like Storm Shadow killed him but it's not explicitly shown. I always liked the old story where Storm Shadow was basically a good guy but initially fought for COBRA because he was deceived, but later defected to G.I. Joe and fought alongside Snake Eyes. At least, that's how I remember it and admittedly I'm not really a G.I. Joe fan so maybe my memory's sketchy.

Agreed with the Baroness thing, she has been Brainwashed before, but she always seemed to have genuine feelings for Destro. Mind you Destro didn't evidence any sign of his skewered but nontheless unbending moral code either.

As for Storm Shadow, in the Marvel comic he joined Cobra to discover the Hard masters killer. Although basically a good guy, a certain Jedi master might say he was tainted by the darkside in the form of vengeance and jealousy. he eventually renounced his vendetta and helped GI Joe, (latter still he was captured and brainwashed again though).

I don't really have a problem with Movie Storm Shadow, as there is as you say some ambiguity on whether he killed his master or not, and his relationship with Snake Eyes seemed spot on. When the original Storm Shadow was on a mission of vengeance he seemed to have little compunction’s about harming those in the way of his vengeance.

[Paulbot]

You didn't miss to much then, just Destro's great great great etc Grandad getting his mask. Admittedly this was another nice homage, but probably just confounded the mainstream audience.

Wait Gok, which video conference? Did you see the whole ambush and first Joe/Cobra battle?

[Kyle]

He probably missed the desert ambush...

[Lord_Zed]

He probably missed the desert ambush...

Oh right that! Damn forgot.

Speaking of which, I only realised yesterday that the Neo Viper figure and the Desert Ambush Elite Viper are different moulds. I assumed the Vipers in the Desert Ambush were the same outfit wise as the later Neo Vipers (Neo Vipers are just upgraded on the inside). Did anyone notice if they actualy looked different?

[GoktimusPrime]

Yeah, I missed the entire desert ambush scene. I started watching from where G.I. Joe were having a meeting with Destro's hologram where he sneakily activated the warhead's tracking beacon without the Joes' knowledge.

[rateeg]

you should go watch again bro.
the 1st appearance of snake eyes was iconic!!!

[GoktimusPrime]

I'm not really a GI Joe fan so I dunno if I'd see it again. Also finding spare time to watch movies for me now is $#/&^@ hard! I still haven't seen Terminator Salvation or the latest Harry Potter yet!!

(who knew having a baby could be so time-consuming?!??)

[foor]

Oh right that! Damn forgot.

Speaking of which, I only realised yesterday that the Neo Viper figure and the Desert Ambush Elite Viper are different moulds. I assumed the Vipers in the Desert Ambush were the same outfit wise as the later Neo Vipers (Neo Vipers are just upgraded on the inside). Did anyone notice if they actualy looked different?

Yeah, they looked a little different. Just like the toy art. The armour they were wearing and face masks were different. I flipped through the official movie book to confirm as well.

[Lord_Zed]

There's an offical movie book? is it any good?

I got the Transformers visual guide, it was pretty average, the Star wars ones were better. I like books with decent pics of props costumes and CGI renderings.

I managed to confrim they were a little bit different from some of the promo pics on the web, now I'm trying to recall if they had standard balistic rifles or those other wierd wave guns.

And what is the ranking with all these guys, we have a Viper Commando, Neo, Ice and eventualy Elite. So where is the standard Viper trooper? I would have thought the Elite one looks the most standard, as there were plenty of the black masked cannon fodder types in the movie. Though I'm not quite sure which is the more elite of the Neo and Commando, they both seem pretty well equiped. In my personal universe I assume the Neo Vipers are nano-boosted ultimate unquestioning solider types (like the movie, or Bruiticus in transformers) and the Commandos are more independent, and unorthadox soliders.

No idea where the Nano Viper would fit in.

As a Cobra fan these things are of interest to me, As a kid I always tried to figure out the original series Viper rankings, I always assumed it was something like.

Crimson Guard Immortals
Crimson Guards
Geneticly enhanced Vipers eg: Hydro Vipers, Star Viper
Troopers that advanced from other grades eg:Snow Serpents, Alley Vipers
Specalist Vipers
Vipers
Cobra Troopers
Tox Vipers

[foor]

There's an offical movie book? is it any good?

I got the Transformers visual guide, it was pretty average, the Star wars ones were better. I like books with decent pics of props costumes and CGI renderings.

Well, it's this thing here:

http://www.amazon.com/G-I-Joe-Cobra-...1711756&sr=1-3

I was excited when I saw it, then after flipping through, I felt it was pretty average. Lots of nice full colour pictures... almost too many. There were some nice shots like various Viper helmet designs that got rejected, but the majority of it was just stuff and screenshots from the movie. I ended up skipping on it even though I could have gotten it for 20% off. And I really didn't regret my decision.

That and they didn't have a section on Cobra Commander or Destro (in the mask), but they had a bit on Rex. I wanted to see the CC helmet design phases, that was what killed it for me.