How to improve combiners ?

[dirge]

Sick him, Skyshadow! (:

[liegeprime]

Sick him, Skyshadow! (:

what??!? as awesome as Lugnut may be, he is still midget class and not Voyager as Hasbro would have us ( and our pockets) believe. were he voyager he would be as big as Grimlock at least same with that first release Bulkhead figure

[morg176]

what about an insecticons PCC 5 pack, and extra dino linbs for the dinobot PCC.
Which dinos would you like to see as limbs and which dinos as tiorso's

do you think that animals make better drones than vehicles, at least personalities can be attributed to animals

[morg176]

i think duocon type combiners are worth another hit and i would have loved to see them in an animated style [one of my favourite]

which two vehicles/two animals would you have as components in your doucon/bionbot

[liegeprime]

I wish theyd make the PCC commanders- (the 2 pack ones) able to plug into each other to make up a bugger combiner bot with minicon armour/weapons attached, now that would be awesome! Anyone could end up either as a limb, or torso, and each has a different head and personality hehehe

Another idea

Combining this idea with the other thread - Mythological Tfs, How about smaller monsters that combine into a gestalt monster!? Its always been that Gestalts so far ended up in humanoid form why not a gestalt Hydra or Gestalt Gryphon?

[GoktimusPrime]

I wish the PCC limbs could transform into robots! Automorphing drones FTL.

Its always been that Gestalts so far ended up in humanoid form why not a gestalt Hydra or Gestalt Gryphon?

Not always. There's one gestalt with a saurian form and another with a non-sapien hominid ("ape"*) form. I'm not sure how marketable non-sapien gestalt forms would be... cos both of those examples were/are massive shelf-warmers.

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*cos technically sapiens are apes

[liegeprime]

I wish the PCC limbs could transform into robots! Automorphing drones FTL.


Not always. There's one gestalt with a saurian form and another with a non-sapien hominid ("ape"*) form. I'm not sure how marketable non-sapien gestalt forms would be... cos both of those examples were/are massive shelf-warmers.

yeah well, both of those two were poorly executed, the giant new version devy are more of like a buncha drones coming together... and as for animorphs?!? ( need I say more) even powrrangers with the blocky zords are more acceptable than animorphs, ugh.

[The Scream Man]

Honestly i dont know that any combiners work well really. To me the closest is Rail Racer from RID. They looked good as individual units and as a whle, it held together well and they still had good alt modes. Make em like that!

[GoktimusPrime]

due to their very nature, gestalts are all about compromise. But as you said, the better gestalts are the ones that hold up well as individual units and in combined gestalt form. I find Predaking to be a pretty good gestalt by 1986 standards. Of course, he's also really expensive. But I find most gestalts are pretty well made. I've only bought two gestalts that disappointed me at the time of purchase:
+ 1989, when I completed Monstructor. Most underwhelming.
+ 2010, when I bought Combiner Class Devastator. F'expensively underwhelming!

Otherwise I've always been stoked with my gestalts.

[morg176]

my premise for gestalts is the following.

for teams of 5 where you have a core bot and limbs [be it clones or bots in their own right] many aspects of a really cool gestalt will often be sacrificed for the engineering of the toy to be cost effective, hopefully this will change into the direction of some of the third party tf that have recently been released.

As i stated in a previous message in this thread, one combiner group that was very much short lived was the duocons, unfortunately these figures were poorly executed with essentially no articulation. But the premise itself was a sound one. if redesigned to include :animals and/or vehicles as components and with each figure having components that have been engineered only to fit together and not with every other piece. Either two animals/two vehicles/1x animal + 1x vehicle would tf together to form a larger [deluxe] robot from 2 x scout size figures.

Also, 'partner' gimmicks like minicons proved favourable to many, yet often lacking in something. What about the following: A robot and an animal combination: they tf together into a vehicle like a car or a jet etc.
highly detailed animal partners would be brimming with weapons and may even carry the weapons of the robot as part of their form [flight feather becomes daggers...]

what do you think?