The G1 Classicsverse Checklist thread!

[Paulbot]

It still says no against Trypticon and Whirl despite the [/] for their Classics legends figures. Fireflight, Air Raid and Skydive all have repurposed legends figures.

Hun-Grrr and Blades also have [/] legends figures in Universe 2.0 multi-packs. And there was a Voyager Blades too in Universe 2.0.

And you're missing Double Punch from the 1991 list who has a Timelines version.

And Timelines Slice for Slicer should be noted too.

[kup]

It still says no against Trypticon and Whirl despite the [/] for their Classics legends figures. Fireflight, Air Raid and Skydive all have repurposed legends figures.

Hun-Grrr and Blades also have [/] legends figures in Universe 2.0 multi-packs. And there was a Voyager Blades too in Universe 2.0.

And you're missing Double Punch from the 1991 list who has a Timelines version.

And Timelines Slice for Slicer should be noted too.

I agree with Paulbot. Those legends figures were clearly little more than nameslaps on existing molds and were not made to 'be' the G1 characters unlike the dedicated classics molds.

Foe example, the 'Classics' minicons can't exactly be regarded as 'G1'.

[Cat]

Actually, I'm surprised at how difficult a list like this is to do, with everyone able to come to consensus on what 'counts'.

Guess the final word is, you're better off looking for yourself. Look at other people's collections, look at product catalogues, look at releases by year. Don't limit it to line, and decide what works for you, based on what you want.

It's hard to even casually recommend a list like this. It's always going to come down to someone's 'fanon' (for want of a better word) over-riding other's suggestions, in an attempt to make the list look and 'feel' credible.

Enjoy collecting, collect what you want, as who you want.

[kup]

Actually, I'm surprised at how difficult a list like this is to do, with everyone able to come to consensus on what 'counts'.

Guess the final word is, you're better off looking for yourself. Look at other people's collections, look at product catalogues, look at releases by year. Don't limit it to line, and decide what works for you, based on what you want.

It's hard to even casually recommend a list like this. It's always going to come down to someone's 'fanon' (for want of a better word) over-riding other's suggestions, in an attempt to make the list look and 'feel' credible.

Enjoy collecting, collect what you want, as who you want.

True, it is impossible to have a set of rules for this but there is no reason not to have a guideline for anyone interested.

I personally re-purpose a lot of stuff as Classics using personal preference and common sense - Everyone is doing this in one form or another since Hasbro's own official assignations are unclear at best leaving it open for broad interpretation.

[GoktimusPrime]

It still says no against Trypticon and Whirl despite the [/] for their Classics legends figures. Fireflight, Air Raid and Skydive all have repurposed legends figures.

Fixed for all except Air Raid and Skydive -- I've counted their repurposed Legends figure under Generation 2 (1995).

Hun-Grrr and Blades also have [/] legends figures in Universe 2.0 multi-packs. And there was a Voyager Blades too in Universe 2.0.

And you're missing Double Punch from the 1991 list who has a Timelines version.

And Timelines Slice for Slicer should be noted too.

Fix'd.

I agree with Paulbot. Those legends figures were clearly little more than nameslaps on existing molds and were not made to 'be' the G1 characters unlike the dedicated classics molds.

Foe example, the 'Classics' minicons can't exactly be regarded as 'G1'.

Hence the "True" Classicsverse & "Faux" Classicsverse categories -- if people want to get picky and overlook repaints from other toylines that have been repainted and chucked into Classicsverse as opposed to those that have been purpose-designed for Classicsverse, then they should be focusing on the "True" Classicsverse figures marked with [+] (or their repaints marked with [+]).

Anything marked with [/] are "Faux" (false) Classicsverse; i.e. non-Classicsverse moulds that have been repainted and thrown into the Classicsverse line by Hasbro. These toys may be widely considered to be not 'real' Classicsverse toys by many collectors and only really count because of Hasbro marketing, but otherwise don't really feel like they belong in the Classicsverse line.

Actually, I'm surprised at how difficult a list like this is to do, with everyone able to come to consensus on what 'counts'.

Trying to 'count' anything is jolly hard because everyone has a different opinion on what should and shouldn't count. And unlike the Universal Counting Method for toys, I am NOT even going to try to come up with a general consensus for what toys should and shouldn't count for Classicsverse. I've tried to include every character who's ever had a toy incarnation that HasTak have marketed under CHUGGURT as well as those which they haven't but their marketing or history lends some ambiguity that there might be a case to argue for them to count (see TF2010 and ROTF Bludgeon discussion below).

I've tried to point out which ones are toys that are purpose-made for Classicsverse, which ones aren't, which are repaints of what and so forth and people can just decide for themselves which ones they want to count or not.

Guess the final word is, you're better off looking for yourself. Look at other people's collections, look at product catalogues, look at releases by year.

Go to brick and mortar stores and look on shelves. Looking at other people's collections is a good suggestion... try before you buy. Maybe arrange for 'show and tell' at fan meets

It's hard to even casually recommend a list like this. It's always going to come down to someone's 'fanon' (for want of a better word) over-riding other's suggestions, in an attempt to make the list look and 'feel' credible.

I've tried to eliminate fan bias as much as possible - that's why I'm not including arbitrary "stand ins" (i.e. non-Classicsverse toys that people personally decide to repurpose as Classicsverse, e.g. Music Label Soundwave as Classicsverse G1 1984 Soundwave, Movieverse Axor as Classicsverse Axer etc.).

Anything that's listed as having a Classicsverse toy is there because they have a toy which HasTak have explicitly marketed as Classics/Timelines/Henkei/Gentei/Universe/Generations/United/Reveal The Shield or other similar lines that are part of what we call "Classicsverse". There are some which are ambiguous, particularly those from Hasbro's label-less Transformers 2010 line, and others like ROTF Bludgeon who was ultimately a ROTF toy but at one stage was considered by Hasbro to be a Classicsverse toy (thus some fans might argue "prior intent"). And even there I've labelled with with [?] to denote the ambiguous or debatable nature of their classification as Classicsverse.

Any toy with [+] or [+] are definitely Classicsverse. Can't go wrong with those IMO. Okay, I've now redefined the rare figures...
[R] = bloody rare "True" Classicsverse moulds, e.g. United Frumble (original mould made for Classicsverse)
[R] = bloody rare "True" Classicsverse repaints, e.g. Shattered Glass Thundercracker (repaint of Classics Starscream mould)
[r] = bloody rare "Faux" Classicsverse repaints, e.g. Timelines Double Punch (repaint of Energon Scorponok)

[GoktimusPrime]

Just a reminder; there's the G1 & Classicsverse comparison thread which is chock full of photos comparing Classicsverse toys with their original namesakes. Feel free to have a browse and decide for yourselves how well different Classicsverse toys homage their original namesakes.

Also there are still some comparison pics which haven't been done yet... so feel free to contribute if you notice any missing comparison (e.g. Punch/Counterpunch -- I have the G1 toy but I don't have the Timelines toy to take a comparison pic with).

[liegeprime]

Just a reminder; there's the G1 & Classicsverse comparison thread which is chock full of photos comparing Classicsverse toys with their original namesakes. Feel free to have a browse and decide for yourselves how well different Classicsverse toys homage their original namesakes.

Also there are still some comparison pics which haven't been done yet... so feel free to contribute if you notice any missing comparison (e.g. Punch/Counterpunch -- I have the G1 toy but I don't have the Timelines toy to take a comparison pic with).

hmmmm, doesnt kup have that toy? or Im just imagining it, mebbe we could ask him to post some pics there...

[Cat]

Fixed for all except Air Raid and Skydive -- I've counted their repurposed Legends figure under Generation 2 (1995).


Fix'd.



Hence the "True" Classicsverse & "Faux" Classicsverse categories -- if people want to get picky and overlook repaints from other toylines that have been repainted and chucked into Classicsverse as opposed to those that have been purpose-designed for Classicsverse, then they should be focusing on the "True" Classicsverse figures marked with [+] (or their repaints marked with [+]).

Anything marked with [/] are "Faux" (false) Classicsverse; i.e. non-Classicsverse moulds that have been repainted and thrown into the Classicsverse line by Hasbro. These toys may be widely considered to be not 'real' Classicsverse toys by many collectors and only really count because of Hasbro marketing, but otherwise don't really feel like they belong in the Classicsverse line.



Trying to 'count' anything is jolly hard because everyone has a different opinion on what should and shouldn't count. And unlike the Universal Counting Method for toys, I am NOT even going to try to come up with a general consensus for what toys should and shouldn't count for Classicsverse. I've tried to include every character who's ever had a toy incarnation that HasTak have marketed under CHUGGURT as well as those which they haven't but their marketing or history lends some ambiguity that there might be a case to argue for them to count (see TF2010 and ROTF Bludgeon discussion below).

I've tried to point out which ones are toys that are purpose-made for Classicsverse, which ones aren't, which are repaints of what and so forth and people can just decide for themselves which ones they want to count or not.


Go to brick and mortar stores and look on shelves. Looking at other people's collections is a good suggestion... try before you buy. Maybe arrange for 'show and tell' at fan meets


I've tried to eliminate fan bias as much as possible - that's why I'm not including arbitrary "stand ins" (i.e. non-Classicsverse toys that people personally decide to repurpose as Classicsverse, e.g. Music Label Soundwave as Classicsverse G1 1984 Soundwave, Movieverse Axor as Classicsverse Axer etc.).

Anything that's listed as having a Classicsverse toy is there because they have a toy which HasTak have explicitly marketed as Classics/Timelines/Henkei/Gentei/Universe/Generations/United/Reveal The Shield or other similar lines that are part of what we call "Classicsverse". There are some which are ambiguous, particularly those from Hasbro's label-less Transformers 2010 line, and others like ROTF Bludgeon who was ultimately a ROTF toy but at one stage was considered by Hasbro to be a Classicsverse toy (thus some fans might argue "prior intent"). And even there I've labelled with with [?] to denote the ambiguous or debatable nature of their classification as Classicsverse.

Any toy with [+] or [+] are definitely Classicsverse. Can't go wrong with those IMO. Okay, I've now redefined the rare figures...
[R] = bloody rare "True" Classicsverse moulds, e.g. United Frumble (original mould made for Classicsverse)
[R] = bloody rare "True" Classicsverse repaints, e.g. Shattered Glass Thundercracker (repaint of Classics Starscream mould)
[r] = bloody rare "Faux" Classicsverse repaints, e.g. Timelines Double Punch (repaint of Energon Scorponok)

It's still a biased list, man. It can't help but be. Saying it's not just isn't correct, not when you list your own reasons for eliminating toys that seem dubious compared to other inclusions at best. (RTS counts, yet Grapple, Sea Spray, Bludgeon, etc don't? Despite clear evidence of what Bludgeon was conceived at, and that generally, Generations didn't have Voyagers, hence they were put where they could).

Bias is bias. It's impossible to not have bias in this list, but just admit it, don't deny it then contradict your own statement in the next paragraph, there's nothing wrong with admitting the list has the natural bias of the author, that's just natural.

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

Didn't this whole exercise start from a post trying to narrow down the options for an upcoming Botcon mold?

I guess it means we will be seeing a fair few of the Reveal-the-Shield and early wave Generations toys next year.

So based on their hints "Three of the characters are getting their first updates ever" and "Two of the figures draw upon the "distant past" ", I wonder who they could be hinting at.
The first hint sounds like Gen1 characters from the first couple years of the toyline (1984-1986) that haven't been done in Classicverse yet, which there aren't too many left now.
While the second hint may refer to "War Dawn" type characters... like Orion Pax, Dion (again) and Ariel.

Is there a list somewhere that checks off the first 3 years of TFs toys done in the Classicverse line? (to help narrow down the list of potentials)

Maybe we should be using the criteria from the hints - did the reps say it was specifically Classicsverse? I would have assumed Seaspray and Grapple/Grappel would have come under 'updates' for guessing game purposes.