Soundwarp watches Beast Wars

[Soundwarp]

OK 6 episodes down............

I am going to continue my journey.

Points so far:

If i close my eyes i really like it, i am still having trouble with the talking animals.

Some of the stories seem shallow.

But a massive plus.....

I AM STILL WATCHING IT!!!!!!!!!!!!

[roller]

Good luck, i cant stand most of season 1

[Pulse]

But my real question is whether this show will make you want to collect the toys!

The show made me want to collect the toys.

I've never watched a single episode of BW but I still luv the figures...

Come to think of it, the only series I've made an effort to watch has been all of G1 as well as Animated (that's cos it was the current series that everyone was talking about... )

[GoktimusPrime]

If i close my eyes i really like it, i am still having trouble with the talking animals.

Is it any more ridiculous than talking cars and planes? Just remember that these are robots in disguise.

Some of the stories seem shallow.

Really? How so? That's an odd complaint - if anything I think Beast Wars is not shallow. IMO it's one of the deepest and most complex stories ever written for a Transformers television series (and is only rivaled by TF comics).

The G1 cartoon characters were, for the most part, basically archetypal caricatures rather than true characters. Look at cartoon Optimus Prime compared to Optimus Primal. Prime was basically the "Christ-like" infallable saviour archetype. But as Stan Lee always says, it is the flaws or weaknesses of a character that drives them and makes them interesting. Even Superman has his weaknesses (most of them being emotional since he has so very few physical weaknesses). Optimus Primal is the same - he's not the flawless jewel of a leader like cartoon Optimus Prime.

A man in your position would know better than the rest of us here the different impact that war places on civilians and soldiers. The Autobots were soldiers in an army, having battled the Decepticons for millions of years. The Maximals are civilians and Optimus Primal is the captain of an expeditionary mission (and he's not an ex-soldier like Animated Optimus Prime either). Furthermore they've just been through a period of over three centuries of peace on Cybertron - these Maximals have never seen combat before.

Then there's the Predacons - again, not really an army either, but rather a gathering of disenfranchised malcontents as part of a renegade separatist movement within the Predacons (officially the Predacons are at peace with the Maximals).

I think it's quite interesting to watch how these characters develop - even though they may have started off being non-combatants the war will reshape them. Kinda like how the four Hobbits in The Lord of the Rings were forever changed by the end of that story. Look at Frodo, Sam, Merry and Pippin at the start of The Fellowship of the Ring and compare them to how they are at the end of Return of the King (especially in the books).



A good adventure is always about characters' journeys and how they change along the course of that journey. In the G1 cartoon Optimus Prime is basically the same character in the end of "The Rebirth" as he was in the beginning of "More Than Meets The Eye." Have a look at Optimus Primal and all the other Beast Wars Transformers now at the beginning of Beast Wars and remember them well... then recall this feeling when you're watching the end of Season 3.

There's more to the Beast Wars than meets the eye!

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these Maximals have never seen combat before.

T

thats what i thought, but the comics make it sound like the Maximals and Preds did have a big war.

[Soundwarp]

I'm sure there is, i am still watching..........

What i've posted is just the initial feelings, better than the last time when i just turned it off

[kup]

Let him watch it, don't overwhelm him with info and bits and pieces.

He is getting over the culture shock of Animal Transformers which is something that a lot of people had issues with at first. Some just take longer to get over it or realize that if you analyze it properly, Beast Wars is not really introducing anything radically new that wasn't already present in G1 such as Beast Modes and realistic 'organic' disguises.

Very little that wasn't already present for year in G1 is introduced in Beast Wars, all that Beast Wars does is expand them.

Soundwarp, they are not animals, they are robots no different to G1 Predacons, Dinobots, etc. You must have already seen the episode in which Cheetor tells Tarantulas that his 'flesh' isn't real but synthetic. You burn the 'flesh' right of one and you get a robotic animal.

People often complain about the following 'BW elements' but don't realize that they are already part of G1:

- Beast modes? Present in G1
- Robots using organic substances as fuel? Present in G1
- Organic looking Beast modes? Again Present in G1.
- Mixture of organic and robotic Beast modes? Yet again present in G1.

[GoktimusPrime]

thats what i thought, but the comics make it sound like the Maximals and Preds did have a big war.

Not officially. Technically the Maximals and Predacons have always lived in peace, but there have been pockets of rogue elements from within the Predacons who've attempted to fight against the Maximal government on Cybertron.

[1orion2many]

I'm sure there is, i am still watching..........

What i've posted is just the initial feelings, better than the last time when i just turned it off

What! You turned off Beast Wars. Oh the horror, this series and G1 are equal favourites with Dinobot being pretty much my favourite character and I think he'll grow on you too.

[Soundwarp]

What! You turned off Beast Wars. Oh the horror, this series and G1 are equal favourites with Dinobot being pretty much my favourite character and I think he'll grow on you too.

Lol he reaks of being Starscream to me at the moment...........

I won't tell you what i really used to feel and say about BW otherwise you may need to be given CPR.