The Universal Counting Method

[GoktimusPrime]

Okay, to answer loophole's question I would say that if you're just touching up the toy, but it's still essentially the same toy/character/incarnation, then yeah it counts. So your modified Universe Sunstreaker and Sideswipe would count. But if you're going to kitbash them into a substantially different toy/character/incarnation, then it wouldn't count.

Many of us touch up toys here and there. I've touched up a lot of worn out chrome on some of my G1 toys with mithral silver paint. Your touch-ups are just a lot more extensive () - but it's fundamentally the same principle.

e.g.: I don't count my G1 Sentinel Prime toy - a repaint of a G1 Rodimus Prime figure.

[loophole]

But if you're going to kitbash them into a substantially different toy/character/incarnation, then it wouldn't count.

in other words if stays the same character yes it counts but if you are repainting and slighlty customising a figure to be a different character then no it would not count e.g. Hot Rod into Wildrider because then it wouldnt be a HasTak official product or repaint

[GoktimusPrime]

Pretty much, yes.

[jaydisc]

How are Music Label Frenzy and Rumble counted? As 0, 1 or 2?

[iceburn]

How are Music Label Frenzy and Rumble counted? As 0, 1 or 2?

haha..might have to split them!!! pity

[GoktimusPrime]

They count as two individuals even though they're connected... think of them as conjoined twins.

[SofaMan]

in other words if stays the same character yes it counts but if you are repainting and slighlty customising a figure to be a different character then no it would not count e.g. Hot Rod into Wildrider because then it wouldnt be a HasTak official product or repaint

Pretty much, yes.

See, this seems weird to me - we allow doubles. I mean, if I have two Sideswipes and repaint one as a Red Alert, either way that should count as two. Why does adding some paint applications to a Sideswipe (which does count) make it no longer a countable toy? At worst, it's a Sideswipe with some paint on it.

This is a very philosophical thread - what is the qualia of a Transformer? I think we are finding that these discussions are very useful.

[Paulbot]

Yeah I would count a kitbased based on a Transformer toy, for example: "I have two Universe Sunstreakers, one is repainted as Breakdown". However I wouldn't count "Machine Man toy Leader-1 repainted as Starscream" because although it's meant to be a TF character it's a not a TF toy.

Edit: I realise by this post I might be in danger of prolonging a discussion that maybe should be in another thread, leaving this thread to just deal with questions about articles previously democratically voted on...

[SofaMan]

Edit: I realise by this post I might be in danger of prolonging a discussion that maybe should be in another thread, leaving this thread to just deal with questions about articles previously democratically voted on...

Well, I see this particular point as still being under discussion in search of consensus. Gok has made a assertion about what he thinks, and some other people have made other opinions. I don't see this point as one of 'settled law' at this point. None of the articles at present make specific reference to kitbashes/repaints.

If it's made by HasTak, it meets Articles 1 and it counts. If it's a multiple, it meets Article 10 and it counts. For the purposes of counting, the name we call it is irrelevant. I'm sure most of us refer to Universe 2.0 Tankor as Octane, but whatever it's called it counts as one toy.

Therefore, a duplicate Sideswipe repainted as Red Alert meets Articles 1 and 10 and therefore should be counted, regardless of whether it gets called Red Alert or not.

[Paulbot]

I don't see this point as one of 'settled law' at this point. None of the articles at present make specific reference to kitbashes/repaints.

I agree and wonder therefore if Goktimus would prefer this discussed (even voted on?) elsewhere?