KOToys- FORT,BRAVE,GRAND Max KOS

[Verno]

Personally I don't think these KO Toys people should be encouraged.

If you want a G1 Fort Max, Grand Max or Brave Max, then save up and buy a real one. If you can't justify paying that much, then move on.

[1orion2many]

I'll save up for the 2 originals I'm missing my only gripe is not getting ripped with a KO. I really hope they are easily distinguishable from the originals

[griffin]

Not to mention how some sellers will 'complete' a legit figure with parts from a $300 KO and then demand $2000+ that the real ones sell for... and the buyer wouldn't know until they get the toy or scrutinise the parts.

Seeing the recent KO Shockwave reaching a couple hundred dollars in early bidding shows what I was saying years ago - that the KOs might be easy to spot by current collectors when they are released, but after a few years in circulation, sellers will claim they are legit and newer collectors who are unaware of the KOs will pay heaps for them.

As for the KO headmasters, it seems that most of these KOs only have a limited production - they probably use cheaper toolings than Hasbro, so don't last as long. As such, certain items can end up not meeting demand, and fetching prices that rivals the real thing. The only good thing I can see from these KOs, if they are distinguishable from the real thing, is that they will make it cheaper for those of us wanting to buy the real thing (as mentioned above by 5FDP). We just have to be very careful to be sure we don't end up with a KO though.

[reillyd]

This one really has me conflicted. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this the first G1 knockoff of a mold that TakaraTomy actually still HAS, and used recently for the Japanese RID Fortress Maximus, and is likely to use again?

Its one thing to buy a toy that is likely NEVER to be reissued, its another to buy one that might cost TT legitimate sales

[Hursticon]

This one really has me conflicted. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this the first G1 knockoff of a mold that TakaraTomy actually still HAS, and used recently for the Japanese RID Fortress Maximus, and is likely to use again?

Its one thing to buy a toy that is likely NEVER to be reissued, its another to buy one that might cost TT legitimate sales

A good and fair point Reillyd, hopefully it might give TakTom some incentive to dilute the KO Market with Genuine Reissues!
(We can dream at least )

[fatbot]

This one really has me conflicted. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this the first G1 knockoff of a mold that TakaraTomy actually still HAS, and used recently for the Japanese RID Fortress Maximus, and is likely to use again?

Its one thing to buy a toy that is likely NEVER to be reissued, its another to buy one that might cost TT legitimate sales

It's highly unlikely that TT will ever re issue him, due to the fact that the larger transformers are shelf warmers, imagine a toy the size of Fort Max.

What I really love about this though, is the people who already have a Fort Max are vehemently against this K/O, where as the people who don't have it are welcoming of the news, elitism anyone?

[Verno]

I'm all for elitism and I don't own one. I'd be the same if someone came out with a KO X-9 Ravage, I'd be against it.

And something tells me a TT Reissue of Fort, Brave or Grand would be far from shelfwarmers, you'd have a global market begging to get their hands on them, clearly shown by this discussion.

[The_Damned]

It's highly unlikely that TT will ever re issue him, due to the fact that the larger transformers are shelf warmers, imagine a toy the size of Fort Max.

What I really love about this though, is the people who already have a Fort Max are vehemently against this K/O, where as the people who don't have it are welcoming of the news, elitism anyone?

um didnt you see my post? so before you go spouting off check your facts

[fatbot]

um didnt you see my post? so before you go spouting off check your facts

calm down champ, I wasn't talking about you.

[GoktimusPrime]

It's highly unlikely that TT will ever re issue him, due to the fact that the larger transformers are shelf warmers, imagine a toy the size of Fort Max.

Yeah... apparently toys like reissue Omega Supreme and Metroplex shelf-warmed... and Fortress Maximus DWARFS those toys, so I don't blame TOMY for not wanting to reissue Fort Max.

What I really love about this though, is the people who already have a Fort Max are vehemently against this K/O, where as the people who don't have it are welcoming of the news, elitism anyone?

I'm against unlicensed toys period - doesn't matter if I own it or not. I don't have Dreadwind. I've seen KO Dreadwinds on sale in Asian stores before, which I just passed on since I knew they were fakes. I still don't have a G1 Dreadwind (yet). When I do get one, I want it to be real.

I was wondering how long it would take before this thread turned into your normal 'KO makers are evil' discussion

Zhong Jin and Kidi Toys have been making them for so long now and Hasbro / TakTom know where their factories are. If they cared, they would've shut them down by now. The truth is, they don't and they won't.

I'm yet to hear of anyone being hauled off to jail for purchasing KO Transformers as well.

Just because nobody's doing anything about it doesn't necessarily make it right. That's kinda like saying if I steal something but the storekeeper can't be bothered to stop me, then it's okay.

Anyway, "good" and "evil" are matters of perspective. I never said that what they were doing was good or bad, just not something I would personally subscribe to or support. But that's just me... if other people wanna go buy KOs then that's their prerogative.

I think the most important thing is that people are AWARE of which toys have been counterfeited and sellers should be up front and honest if the toy they're selling is fake, thus allowing consumers to make an informed choice. If you know a toy is fake but you still want to buy it because you believe it's cheaper and more convenient than buying an original - okay, that's your call. What annoys me more is when collectors are deceived into thinking a counterfeit is real... they think it's legit, pay for it, only later to find out it's fake.