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    It's almost..Noble.
    Usually Order is attributed to Good while Chaos is attributed to Evil however in Beast Machines Megatron is all about Order while the Maximals are Chaos. Sooo, Megatron's the good guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime View Post
    Well, the stupid thing about it is that the ending of Beast Machines just boxed Transformers continuity into a corner that, other than a few obscure comics, nobody has really attempted to continue from. All mainstream TF continuity since BM have been reboots instead. (-_-)
    The Odieverse has the solution to this. It was all a dream. A bad, bad dream.
    Quote Originally Posted by Verno View Post
    Megs is an interesting case. You've gotta go right back to his original plan.

    He stole the Golden Disk because it gave the location of Earth and of a supposed massive Energon deposit/resource.

    His plan was to go back in time to Earth, either stockpile the Energon and/or create a Warship great enough to take back to present day Cybertron and basically make the Maximals sign their surrender directly to him, all without firing a single shot in anger.

    Some could speculate he may have gone looking for the Nemesis (as Tarantulas did {who perhaps did so under orders from the Tripredacus Council}) and then fly that back to Cybertron, as he intended to do in the final episodes of BW.

    The message on the Golden Disk from G1 Megatron told the Decepticon descendant to kill the slumbering Prime in the Ark, as Megatron almost did at the end of Season 2, but BW Megatron tried to put his own plans into place, but once they failed, reverted back to G1 Megatron's plan. I think we can take that much for certain from Megatron's comments to Ravage in Agenda.

    But Megatron's hatred of Beast forms never came up in the entirity of BW. Maybe in his trip back to Cybertron strapped to the side of the Autobot shuttle he had a change of heart, but it was all very sudden. It's not like that TM2 Dragon form wasn't powerful, it was extremely kick-ass. He handed Op Op a lesson in fighting and was trumped only by the Vok-Supercharged Tigerhawk. I don't see why he'd want to be rid of it.
    I figure the long transwarp journey through space and time on the outside of the shuttle just drove him nuts. Nice, simple, and leaves my all-time favourite TF his deliciously evil, utterly pragmatic BW 'true' self.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ode to a Grasshopper View Post
    The Odieverse has the solution to this. It was all a dream. A bad, bad dream.I figure the long transwarp journey through space and time on the outside of the shuttle just drove him nuts. Nice, simple, and leaves my all-time favourite TF his deliciously evil, utterly pragmatic BW 'true' self.
    Zombie BM Megatron was sweet though but man, when that giant floating head fortress of his rose for the first time and was looking down at everyone... That was freaking cool!

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    tfwiki did a good job of separating the continuities, even though G1 has the cartoon, japanese and comic continuities. The way I like to see it is that collectively all these continuities are separate universes that belong to a MULTIVERSE (just like that Jet Li movie The One!).

    How cool would it be if Megatron traveled parallel universes to kill himself again and again to make himself THE ONE!? though G1 megatron would be pretty much useless himself against any other incarnation

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    There is evidence from G1 that supports this, such as:
    + We know that Primus didn't create Cybertron from scratch. It was an asteroid that he rebuilt as Cybertron. Perhaps this asteroid (planetoid) harboured organic life before his arrival.
    + In the G1 comics, when the Autobot Classic Pretenders and Rescue Patrol found Primus; it's a technorganic core - even with water leading toward the centre (which Seawatch happily exploits when he takes out Bludgeon )
    + In the G1 cartoon episode "Dweller In The Depths", the core of Cybertron appears organic.
    + In the same G1 ep, we come across the "Transorganics" -- essentially ancient technorganic creatures in Cybertron's core.
    + In the G1 comics, Cybertron is populated by technorganic mutants, who claim to have lived on Cybertron longer than the Transformers. Sadly none of these underground mutants are hawt like Futurama's Leela. ;p
    + The ancient Cybertronian's "budding" method of reproduction is arguably technorganic in nature
    + In "The Rebirth," Plasma energy effects all mechanical beings, but organic life is immune. And it's thanks to the Headmasters and Targetmasters who have binary bonded themselves to organic Nebulans (and two humans) that Cybertron is saved and a prophecy fulfilled.
    Maybe some necessary Gen1 plot devices just couldn't be translated into a 'metallic' form, so to make it easier for the (young) reader, things were done in an organic manner.
    I think it wasn't until Beast Machines that it was (finally) intentionally mentioned and an attempted explanation was made as to an Organic element to Cybertron. (which could be why it wasn't well received by fans)
    Before that time, anything organic appeared to be either accidental (by the animators/artists) or unavoidable for the plot to make sense (to a young human viewer).

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    Beast Machines shows a waterfall on Cybertron! You know what else is weird... it's a machine planet devoid of oceans, lakes and forests... but yet it has Earth-like atmosphere! Humans who travel to Cybertron can happily walk around breathing Cybertronian air!

    Also... while the size of Cybertron varies greatly according to canonical sources, I don't think it's ever portrayed as being the same size as Earth has it? Cos... Cybertronian gravity also seems to be similar to Earth. We certainly see it when humans are on Cybertron -- they don't 'float' around like on the Moon, nor do they get crushed if they were on a high gravity planet. Even Cybertron's moons seem to have the same gravity as Cybertron itself!

    Although one interesting moment in G1 was during the Matrix Quest (part IV) when the Classic Pretender Autobots' fuel was rapidly being depleted because they were moving around (and fighting Decepticons) on a high gravity world. They moved around like normal, but it obviously meant a greater expenditure of Energon in order to do so. Seeing the Autobots moving around really sluggishly as their reserves were running low was cool... and of course, made it easier for Thunderwing to pwn them and seize the Matrix for himself.

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    Why wouldn't a planetoid with enough gravity to keep objects (and its inhabitants) from drifting off the surface, not have the gravity to attract and keep gasses or liquids? The lightest element (Hydrogen) is throughout the Universe, and this planet was mostly metal (or rock, depending on your source), so where's the impossibility that elements (Oxygen, Nitrogen) in between them could not exist?

    A fair bit of the matter on Earth came from extra-terrestrial debris over the millions of years, including during its formation with the rest of the Solar System... why couldn't Cybertron have formed with, or attracted, these elements?

    Unless a writer tried to explain its existence, or tried to explain how it couldn't have existed in the first place, I don't see how or why some fans make such a big deal about it, or even claim that Cybertron shouldn't have an atmosphere or liquids at any time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by griffin View Post
    Why wouldn't a planetoid with enough gravity to keep objects (and its inhabitants) from drifting off the surface, not have the gravity to attract and keep gasses or liquids? The lightest element (Hydrogen) is throughout the Universe, and this planet was mostly metal (or rock, depending on your source), so where's the impossibility that elements (Oxygen, Nitrogen) in between them could not exist?

    A fair bit of the matter on Earth came from extra-terrestrial debris over the millions of years, including during its formation with the rest of the Solar System... why couldn't Cybertron have formed with, or attracted, these elements?
    That's a pretty concise and highly factual statement there.
    Cybertron's gravity would be ridiculous IMO and is the only reason why I can't see how Humans (Without Assistance) could exist on the planet myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime View Post
    In the G1 comics, when the Autobot Classic Pretenders and Rescue Patrol found Primus; it's a technorganic core - even with water leading toward the centre (which Seawatch happily exploits when he takes out Bludgeon )
    Didn't Blaster say that wasn't actually water on the letters page?

    Quote Originally Posted by griffin View Post
    Unless a writer tried to explain its existence, or tried to explain how it couldn't have existed in the first place, I don't see how or why some fans make such a big deal about it, or even claim that Cybertron shouldn't have an atmosphere or liquids at any time.
    We know that water is rare on Cybertron in the Marvel TFU, because Octane knew that "thousands of vorns ago during an outbreak on Cybertron, a rare chemical was found" and Ratbat claimed that water was "a chemical so rare that its very existence is suspect!" (Not really that suspect, since Ratbat had used lots of it in his lamest plot ever - the Car Wash Of Doom.) But also not so rare that Bumblebee and Ironhide explicitly knew what water is in their expositions in #1.

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    I never understood why humans could breath on Cybertron. Never thought about the gravity situation though. Makes sense though.
    Think we could say humans abiltiy to survive on Cybertron boils down to plot device meant for children.

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