DOTM - not excited? [possible spoils]

[GoktimusPrime]

I was more referring to the bi-plane, model-t photos Simmons had in his files. Sector 7 only referred to MBE-1, seemed surprised to see other robots around the place. I don't seem to remember any nazis in the movies, maybe I missed something

It's in the Sector 7 series which tells the story of Sector 7's origins beginning in 1898. By 1944 the Nazis had captured a Non-Biological Entity and reverse engineered it to create their own piloted transformable machines like the Panzer-Giganten. Agent Walter Simmons (Seymour's father) and Jetfire managed to thwart the Nazi's plan to exploit Cybertronian technology (this would be one of Jetfire's first heroic acts as a former Decepticon).

Also true, but from the trailer the ship looked pretty big. Given all the robots in the second movie, I'd imagine one would say "whats going on over there?"

Yeah but an object that relatively small may not be visible to the naked eye from Lunar orbit, and as far as we know, none of the Transformers have even been to Earth's moon, let alone observed it up close from its orbit. As far as we've seen they haven't been anywhere else in the Solar System other than Mars and Earth.

I hoped it was something clever, Megatron falling in the first, getting his revenge and all that. Not literally a guy called 'Fallen'. Reminds me of 'Attack of the Clones'.

Yeah but The Fallen is a character that was known to many Transformer fans, because he first appeared in "Transformers The War Within: The Dark Ages." The Fallen is also a Multiversal Singularity, meaning that he exists in every Transformers universe, just like Primus and Unicron. The Fallen's original name was Megatronus Prime -- one of the original 13 Transformers created by Primus (and in the movie universe, apparently 7 of those original 13 were Primes). After Megatronus Prime was corrupted by Unicron and became evil, then he became known as The Fallen.

IMO ROTF The Fallen wasn't as cool as the original The Fallen. The original The Fallen looks better too IMO.
G1 The Fallen
Movieverse The Fallen

Classic example.... Arcee

Yeah, I gotta agree with this.

Transformers is always better when they're made as toys first, then as cartoons/comics/movies second -- based on the toys. Things can often get screwy when it's the other way around. Although HasTak did think about making a G1 Arcee toy... she was gonna be a repaint of Chromedome ostensibly with a different Headmaster head (most likely Daniel Witwicky). I don't know if we should be glad that it never happened.

Realdolls? >.>

No, I'd want a proper Transformers action figure. Not some non-transforming doll. Non-transforming Transformer toys = teh suck.

Of course the problem is that Hasbro probably just blindly approved Reedman and Alice without thinking about how they could be feasibly engineered into toys. (-_-) The thing that really sucks about Alice is that she has no alt mode kibble in robot mode. Yeah I know from a scifi POV it makes sense, but having alt mode kibble is what makes Transformers look like Transformers. Hasbro themselves acknowledged this which is why for most of the other Transformers (which we got toys of) they ensured that the robot modes did have noticeable alt mode kibble on them.

I can't believe Hasbro approved ROTF Megatron as an alien tank. I'm so glad that DOTM Megatron is gonna be an Earth vehicle.

Prime's execution of a fleeing Demolishor, and I still can't believe Ravage had his spine ripped out.

I think Bumblebee's actions are defensible but Prime's aren't. When Prime executed Demolishor he was already defeated and incapacitated. Prime should have demanded Demolishor to surrender and had him captured. If his wounds were fatal, then at least show some regret in him committing a mercy kill. Because that's what happened at the end of the first movie when Megatron was killed, Prime said, "I'm sorry brother, you left me no choice." It shows that Prime regretted the fact that Megatron had to die.

Now Bumblebee on the other hand disarmed (sic) Skipjack, uh, Rampage, and killed Ravage (although Ravage was later rebuilt by the Initiative) in the middle of combat. If a soldier is attacked by two enemy soldiers, it's not unreasonable for that soldier to engage with lethal force. The big difference between Bumblebee and Prime is that Bumblebee incapacitates/kills his enemies when he's fighting them. Skippage and Ravage were both trying to kill Bumblebee at the time he defeated them. They were not already defeated and helpless at the time.

So there's a world of difference between what Bumblebee did to Ravage and what Prime did to Demolishor. Prime's killed other Decepticons too - like Bonecrusher and Grindor, but we don't complain about those because Prime killed them while he was fighting them. Bonecrusher, Grindor and Ravage were NOT executed in a helpless state - they died as a result of direct combat.

Guys, guys, guys....This isn't your daddy's Transformers. It's a different interpretation of the Transformers universe including changes to certain characters personalities (look at Jetfire ferchrisakes!), so if you can't handle that then I suggest going home and crying to mumma.

Even just within the movie universe it's a contradiction. As I said, TF1 Prime showed compassion -- he only killed Bonecrusher as he was fighting him (i.e. it was NOT an execution), and he expressed regret that Megatron died at the end. Prime's attitude in Shanghai flies against what we saw in Mission City. Is it the same Optimus Prime?

I don't actually believe Prime was being unbotmane anyway. He basically had to totally **** Demolishor up before he would stop killing you, your family and your little pet Catilla too. What was he meant to do with the fubar, no doubt beyond repair Demolishor once he was finally stopped?

Yes but at the time Demolishor was executed he was fully incapable of causing any more harm. Thus at that time there was no need to kill him. And if he was beyond repair, this should have been pointed out to the audience because otherwise it does look like an execution. Prime didn't even ask Ratchet to scan him or something, or even bend over and have a close inspection... *sigh*

Instead of saying, "Any last words?" he could have said, "I'm truly sorry for this." -- some kind of expression of regret. Without that then it does feel cold fluided.

Yes, the execution itself may have seemed a bit psycho at the time but Prime's all about saving humanity and just witnessed hundreds of human lives go down the proverbial. Can you blame him for being a bit pissed?

Yeah but you'd expect Optimus Prime to rise above petty feelings for revenge and act PROFESSIONAL.

For example say there's a guy who walks into a building and shoots innocent people, then the police arrive. Unless he's immediately threatening a life they're not going to get police snipers to take him down. First they're going to ask him to surrender. And if he DOES surrender, or say a cop shoots him in the leg and incapacitates him, would you expect the police to walk up to him and say, "Any last words?" before shooting him in the head at point blank range? Or would you expect the police to arrest him? If the police chose to shoot him, what do you think would happen to that officer?

Soldiers get into massive trouble if they abuse POWs in any way (e.g. humiliation, torture etc.). And the execution of POWs is considered barbaric.