What do you consider to be the WORST G1 Toy Concept?

[GoktimusPrime]

Headmasters - for two reasons. First, I don't think that the engineering at the time allowed them to explore this concept properly (ie most of thes heads ended up looking like oversized bobble heads). Secondly, as a child I generally lost everything that wasn't physically permanently attached to the figure and the prospect of one day having a headless figure was a real downer.

I personally never lost any of my Nebulans as a child. Another child went and lost my Krunk after I let him borrow Snapdragon! Gggrrr!! (Hey kids! NEVER lend your toys to nobody!!)

Weird Monster Things - I'm not against the concept at all, just that execution was usually so lazy.

I thought Hun-Grrr was really well done. But I suppose he's different because he wasn't some randomly invented monster like the Monsterbots or Firecon, but rather a double-headed dragon (i.e. sort of based on an "existing" mythological creature). Do alt modes based on mythological creatures count as "Weird Monster Things"? Cos Sinnertwin transforms into an Orthus (2 headed dog from Greek mythology), as opposed to Blot who transforms into... umm... I have no idea. A blot.

3. (Optional) Would you still buy these toys if you needed them to complete your G1 Collection?


Would I buy a figure from a subline I dislike, from a generation of figures that I dislike? Who does that? No, obviously.

^^

So your challenge is:
At the moment... no. I rather buy Japanese g1 or euro g1. When I finished with that stuff I'll look at action /micro masters

Euro G1 is the same as Australian G1 dude. Australia (and New Zealand) got all those late-G1 Euro-market toys. When it comes to those toys, I find you're better off getting them in Australia than say in Japan. I saw some of the prices in Japan and thought, "zOMG!" Obviously Japanese dealers charge more cos these toys were never released there, but I've occasionally seen them sell in local fairs and markets for way cheaper prices (since they're obviously not as rare or "exotic" here).

[Trent]

(Hey kids! NEVER lend your toys to nobody!!)

Soooo… they should lend their toys to everybody??

[Hursticon]

Soooo… they should lend their toys to everybody??

Can you believe that guy is supposed to be a Teacher? - Them teachers learn you good I reckonz...
(Kidding Gok, just having a lend of ya... )

[Starscream77]

Pretenders were the worst by far for me

And no i will never purchase any of them for the sake of being a completist

[Lord_Zed]

I thought Hun-Grrr was really well done. But I suppose he's different because he wasn't some randomly invented monster like the Monsterbots or Firecon, but rather a double-headed dragon (i.e. sort of based on an "existing" mythological creature). Do alt modes based on mythological creatures count as "Weird Monster Things"? Cos Sinnertwin transforms into an Orthus (2 headed dog from Greek mythology), as opposed to Blot who transforms into... umm... I have no idea. A blot.

Heresy! Flamefeather is one of the best Transformers ever, any fool can see he turns into the mythical Griffin beast, he is clearly up there with the proper mythological beast transformers.

The other two are more of a grey area.

[GoktimusPrime]

FWIW Flamefeather is my favourite (or least hated?) Firecon. Cindersaur's my least favourite.

[BigTransformerTrev]

Well, I think that 'Action Masters' unsurprisingly was the definite winner of the 'worst g1 toy concept' (18 at last count), followed by Pretenders which lagged far behind but was still a definite second (5 at last count). Oh Hasbro, if you had just stuck with what had come before (barring the Firecons - lot of hate for the Firecons came out here), you could have had us emptying our wallets for so many more years!

Out of interest, those that voted 'other' - what particular figures did you have in mind? (Don't have to answer if ya don't want).

[Megatron]

... I just think Headmasters is the worst idea for Transformers ever.

[GoktimusPrime]

I can see why some people might not like Headmasters -- they're not the greatest concept ever... but worst ever? How are they worse than Action Masters?

IMO these are some of the ways that Action Masters are considerably worse than Headmasters:

(1) Headmasters were only one limited sub group. Action Masters dominated the line when they came out. If you didn't like Headmasters, there were plenty of other toys to collect at the time -- Throttlebots, Targetmasters, Technobots, Duocons, Terrorcons, Clones, Monsterbots etc. If you didn't like Action Masters, aside from Micromasters there was nothing else to collect.

(2) Headmasters don't have 'realistic' based Earthen alt modes, unlike say the Throttlebots (e.g. the Throttlebots gave us a VW Beetle, Ferrari Testarossa, Chevrolet Corvette C4, Jeep CJ-7, Ford RS200 and a dump truck), but at least they HAVE alt modes! Action Masters transform into a whole lot of nothing. And the Headmasters alt modes are recognisable for what they are (unlike the Pretenders). Skullcruncher's a gator, Highbrow is a helicopter, Hardhead's a tank, Mindwipe's a bat etc. They may not be the greatest alt modes, but at least you can tell what they are. Waverider was my first Pretender in 1988. I opened that toy and started playing with it, making Waverider zoom about in the air because I thought he was a jet. Then I read the tech specs and discovered he's meant to be a submersible. Oooohhh...

(3) Some of them have less than inspiring transformations, like Chromedome and his "bend be backwards, now you're done" transformation (so simple that the smaller (and die-cast) TF Jr. version transforms in the same way!). Even Fortress Maximus has a pretty darn simple transformation... he just lies down to transform to battleship mode, and the city mode is just the robot lying down with legs tucked in (Fortress Maximus is more impressive a _massive_ play set more than as an action figure really). But still... at least they can transform. And the engineering of even the worst Headmaster completely outclasses any Action Master Elite IMHO. Look at Omega Spreem's alt mode... suddenly Chromedome looks like a Masterpiece by comparison!

Anyway, that's just my opinion. But I'd be curious to know how you would rate Headmasters as being worse than Action Masters.

"It cannot even transform, this thing is useless. Get rid of it." - Megatron (Transmutate)

[liegeprime]

Well, I think that 'Action Masters' unsurprisingly was the definite winner of the 'worst g1 toy concept' (18 at last count), followed by Pretenders which lagged far behind but was still a definite second (5 at last count). Oh Hasbro, if you had just stuck with what had come before (barring the Firecons - lot of hate for the Firecons came out here), you could have had us emptying our wallets for so many more years!

Out of interest, those that voted 'other' - what particular figures did you have in mind? (Don't have to answer if ya don't want).

I voted for Others since my choices would not be classified under the rest of the masters"etc. Sixchanger - as Ive mentioned just because you got 6 transformations doesn't make it cool especially when all of em modes are lame looking,
Battlechargers - altmodes ok but for the sake of the gimmick they've become a rolling transformer which ''transforms'' like a tombstone rising

and the firecons - these can be classified as weird monster almodes category, BUT, that's what I love about them, it's their bot mode that irks me a blocky bot non articulated with kibbles all over which you only recognise as the bot mode coz it's got the face. -(due to just turning around as a "transformation" - lame)