Items NOT as described

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

"good" condition - vague
"Loose" - out of box but good condition or loose/floppy joints

The 'good' description, along with excellent conition etc are always going to be vague depending on how you want to use them imo. I think loose is acceptable that one would believe it to be out of the box and if it were joints hopefully they's say loose joints.

I don't mind that as being a toy you would have to have some expectation it was on a shelf or somewhere gathering dust. If its a box its easy for the seller to give it a wipe but some toys really need a good 10 minute clean - only using a compressed-air would get it super clean so unless the seller states its mint I would always have some expectation a clean would be in order.

I always give any toys I buy a clean. Never know whose grubby mits have been on it.

It's okay for the box to be beaten up, so that would have been accurate if it had actually been sealed. MIB/MISB refers to the mintness of the toy, not the box.

I often wonder what the point of M of MISB is there for really. If it is in sealed box, which we assume means never opened, then the toys should be mint. Many figures come from the factory boxed and aren't mint. Add to that MISB, could mean a perfect toy in a sealed box, since there is no clarification of who or when the box was sealed a re-sealed box could well be a fair call.

Perhaps we should start a motion to have MISB changed to Factory sealed/never opened?

[Sky Shadow]

I often wonder what the point of M of MISB is there for really. If it is in sealed box, which we assume means never opened, then the toys should be mint. Many figures come from the factory boxed and aren't mint. Add to that MISB, could mean a perfect toy in a sealed box, since there is no clarification of who or when the box was sealed a re-sealed box could well be a fair call.

Perhaps we should start a motion to have MISB changed to Factory sealed/never opened?

That is a good point. SIMB? Sealed In Mint Box?

[GoktimusPrime]

Some say that "true mint" (or a true "C10") is something that exists more in theory than in reality. Even if the toy has never been resealed (which may be more likely with MOSC figures), it's virtually guaranteed that the packaging will suffer minor imperfections just from being handled by factory workers, being packed into cases, shipping*, being shelved**, having price stickers attached***, being handled by prospective shoppers****, et al.

While toy grading is a highly subjective thing, it's nigh impossible to find a toy that's truly perfect mint or C10, because there's bound to be some micro-flaws in the toy, ranging from tiny imperfections in the packaging (e.g. nicks, scratches, dents etc. on the cardboard or plastic), or even manufacturing imperfections on the toy (e.g. tiny imperfection on paint apps, which seems to be occuring more frequently ), etc. What most people would imagine as C10 would be more like C9 or C8 i.e. a few notches down from "perfection." Basically, C10 is "perfect mint"... and there's no such thing as absolute perfection (or at least, it's highly unlikely).

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*The arduous journey from factory to warehouse to backroom
**Not every staff member is going to delicately remove toys from cases and ever-so-carefully place them on pegs and shelves. I've sometimes seen toys squeezed into shelves that are too short for the packaging with the card bent to force it to fit.
***Leaves glue residue even if you carefully remove it; some collectors try to remove it by carefully swabbing the residue w/ alcohol wipes. Some stores (like TRU) attach those those big security tags which dig into the packaging too.
****Or being bumped off by accident, or even maliciously thrown about by bratty kids.

[Megatran]

Add to that MISB, could mean a perfect toy in a sealed box, since there is no clarification of who or when the box was sealed a re-sealed box could well be a fair call.

How can a re-sealed box be referred to as MISB. Surely the general convention for MISB is factory sealed, never opened. I can imagine there be a lot of angry MISB collectors if a re-sealed box passes as MISB.

[Sinnertwin]

Absolute perfection, Goki?
Apparently so. An AFA 100 Wheeljack at the bottom of the page

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transf...-thread-5.html


I also once read somewhere a long time ago that the Japanese consider a sealed box that has been opened and resealed to be MiSB. Can anybody clarify?

[Bidoofdude]

"Excellent condition- Worn out chrome, loose joints, sticker wear"

[DELTAprime]

I got a MISB Megatron TFC years ago off ebay. I finally gave in and opened it this year and while everything looked to be legit (factory tape, unused stickers.) I can't help but wonder if it was opened and resealed because it has a horrible QC error. There is a post inside his chest that is bent. Only way it could have been like that is if it was bent while the plastic was still warm from the moulding process. As I said, everything looked legit, but I'll never know for sure.

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

How can a re-sealed box be referred to as MISB. Surely the general convention for MISB is factory sealed, never opened. I can imagine there be a lot of angry MISB collectors if a re-sealed box passes as MISB.

We assume that MISB is factory sealed, but nothing is there that actually says it has to be. If I buy a figure, open the box, don't touch the toy, retape the box, then going by the definition the toy is mint and is also in a sealed box. Unscrupulous people exist. Maybe a MIFSB (Mint In Factory Sealed Box) would avoid confusion.

personally I add more info rather than just MIB/MISB whatever.

Absolute perfection, Goki?
Apparently so. An AFA 100 Wheeljack at the bottom of the page

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transf...-thread-5.html


I also once read somewhere a long time ago that the Japanese consider a sealed box that has been opened and resealed to be MiSB. Can anybody clarify?

lol, AFA. Grading knockoffs and still going strong

I'd also be curious if there is a hard defintion of MISB documented somewhere.

[Tabias Prime]

"Loose" - out of box but good condition or loose/floppy joints

You could use this same phrase for the new Generation Rhinox straight the box

[Hursticon]

"Rare" and every bloody variation of this tag descriptor; especially in which cases it appears in listing headings &/or descriptions, for items that are still presently available on-shelf at national retail chains!