The G1 Classicsverse Checklist thread!

[kup]

Since what is officially defined as 'Classics' has really been messed up by Hasbro, for clarity, I would suggest to only use proper 'classics' molds and repaints intended to fit into the line (like Botcon or the TRU 2 pack repaints).

[liegeprime]

You missed Generations Thrust there Gok, you only included the botcon one, but there is an official Generations version

[GoktimusPrime]

Thanks for the feedback everyone, I've implemented a new classifications system and reclassified some toys accordingly.

oops! That should be RTS Fallback lol. You don't think he should be counted?

Whirl & Trypticon had legends in the first Classics line. Blaster in the Universe 2.0 line is meant to be the classic Blaster character.

I agree on Fallback being Outback (RTS is a Classics line, and the BotCon Timelines version is meant to be Outback too). And going with BotCon toys G1 Laserbeak and Buzzsaw have updated figures too.

At a bit more of a stretch the Universe Micromaster Defensor could be consider. Ok it far more than a "bit" of a stretch.

All these characters are now reclassified.

Drag Strip and Overkill were released as Universe Special Editions.

Hot Spot was released as Hot Zone in the Titaniums line but that wave was also branded Universe. Even if you don't count that one, there was also a Classics Legends figure released in a 5 pack with several other figures. One of them being Razorclaw, who is also missing.

Razorclaw had that previously mentioned Classics Legends figure and a Timelines release.

All have been reclassified except for Overkill who's a 1987 character. I'll classify him accordingly once I start including that year's line into the list.

The re-issue G1 Soundwave was also marked as Universe (Seeing it was the catch-all line for most 'other' stuff at the time), same packaging, same derpy artwork, except it benefited from Soundwave's lack of a mouth . (That's the SDCC version though, not the general 'Robots In Disguise' Commemorative release).
Technically that would also knock off Laserbeak from the list.
Also Ratbat if you want to include him from the SDCC version, and of course the comic 2pack repaint version.

In that case we should include Masterpiece Starscream too Fine... they're included but classified as "debatable." The comic 2 pack version of Ratbat was already included.

(Booster X10 is an obvious Laserbeak also, it just unfortunately lacks the name).

...not to mention he's an Autobot... and in a complete different series/continuity. That would be a "stand in" at best, which I'm definitely not including.

So that's 3 different Soundwaves and 4 releases, not including Generations WFC Soundwave or Diaper Soundwave (Titanium).

Ti Series Soundwave wasn't marketed as Universe or any other "Classicsverse" line AFAIK... just as Titanium Series. I'm not including any of the Generations WFC toys because they don't represent these characters in their 1984-85 incarnations. That's why Generations has been intentionally excluded from Optimus Prime, Bumblebee, Cliffjumper and Megatron too. I have now also removed Universe and Ultimate Battle Megatron too - because those are Classicsverse versions of 1993 Megatron, not 1984 Megatron.

EDIT: Also, seeing as it says just the first 3 years, should some be changed, or should we list all missing ones from Generations etc?

Changed in what way? I've listed all the G1 characters from 1984-86 and denoted which ones have been released or not released or maybe released as Classicsverse.

EDIT2: Warpath should be Universe and Generations, for the Legends and Deluxe versions

Fixed.

Since what is officially defined as 'Classics' has really been messed up by Hasbro, for clarity, I would suggest to only use proper 'classics' molds and repaints intended to fit into the line (like Botcon or the TRU 2 pack repaints).

Excellent idea. I've implemented a new classification scheme based on your suggestion. All "proper" or "true" Classicsverse moulds are now marked with [+].

Thundercracker was also released in Generations.

You missed Generations Thrust there Gok, you only included the botcon one, but there is an official Generations version

As I said...

I'm not going to list every version of each Classicsverse mould, so I'm just going to list one. e.g. "Classics Optimus Prime" also includes Henkei Convoy etc. - same mould.

So to clarify, I've listed Thundercracker and Thrust as "Timelines" because those were the first versions of those figures as Classicsverse, but I know that since then we've had subsequent versions, most notably Generations which made these figures commonly available in retail stores. This is why I've marked them as [+] and not as[*]. The latter denotes toys which are bloody rare and have remained that way, e.g. no common retail version has since been released.

Edit: I've now included 1987-1988. Yes, I've intentionally omitted Cindersaur from the 1988 list for the same reason why I omitted Streetwise from 1986 -- their BotCon toys do not represent their G1 incarnations from those periods, but rather their theoretical G2 incarnations. So they don't count as "Classicsverse" upgrades of G1 Streetwise and G1 Cindersaur.

[GoktimusPrime]

1989-1993 added. The checklist should now cover all of G1 and G2 (Hasbro). Please LMK if I've missed anything.

[griffin]

Reissues don't count, as they specifically refer to 'updated' figures... as in Classicverse-styled homages (including related lines like Reveal the Shield, and toys that ended up in movie packaging for convenience by Hasbro).

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

...not to mention he's an Autobot... and in a complete different series/continuity. That would be a "stand in" at best, which I'm definitely not including.

Booster x10 is a 'con.
Though still just a stand-in what with being a different character in a different continuity, but Nightbeat was the Autobot repaint.
Sorry to be nitpicky.

[Paulbot]

It still says no against Trypticon and Whirl despite the [/] for their Classics legends figures. Fireflight, Air Raid and Skydive all have repurposed legends figures.

Hun-Grrr and Blades also have [/] legends figures in Universe 2.0 multi-packs. And there was a Voyager Blades too in Universe 2.0.

And you're missing Double Punch from the 1991 list who has a Timelines version.

And Timelines Slice for Slicer should be noted too.

[kup]

It still says no against Trypticon and Whirl despite the [/] for their Classics legends figures. Fireflight, Air Raid and Skydive all have repurposed legends figures.

Hun-Grrr and Blades also have [/] legends figures in Universe 2.0 multi-packs. And there was a Voyager Blades too in Universe 2.0.

And you're missing Double Punch from the 1991 list who has a Timelines version.

And Timelines Slice for Slicer should be noted too.

I agree with Paulbot. Those legends figures were clearly little more than nameslaps on existing molds and were not made to 'be' the G1 characters unlike the dedicated classics molds.

Foe example, the 'Classics' minicons can't exactly be regarded as 'G1'.

[Cat]

Actually, I'm surprised at how difficult a list like this is to do, with everyone able to come to consensus on what 'counts'.

Guess the final word is, you're better off looking for yourself. Look at other people's collections, look at product catalogues, look at releases by year. Don't limit it to line, and decide what works for you, based on what you want.

It's hard to even casually recommend a list like this. It's always going to come down to someone's 'fanon' (for want of a better word) over-riding other's suggestions, in an attempt to make the list look and 'feel' credible.

Enjoy collecting, collect what you want, as who you want.

[kup]

Actually, I'm surprised at how difficult a list like this is to do, with everyone able to come to consensus on what 'counts'.

Guess the final word is, you're better off looking for yourself. Look at other people's collections, look at product catalogues, look at releases by year. Don't limit it to line, and decide what works for you, based on what you want.

It's hard to even casually recommend a list like this. It's always going to come down to someone's 'fanon' (for want of a better word) over-riding other's suggestions, in an attempt to make the list look and 'feel' credible.

Enjoy collecting, collect what you want, as who you want.

True, it is impossible to have a set of rules for this but there is no reason not to have a guideline for anyone interested.

I personally re-purpose a lot of stuff as Classics using personal preference and common sense - Everyone is doing this in one form or another since Hasbro's own official assignations are unclear at best leaving it open for broad interpretation.