2012 Hall of Fame awards has begun

[Sky Shadow]

This whole Hall of Fame thing is inconsistent. What... it covers all incarnations of characters with the same name except the Megatron from Beast Wars? That is, a vote for Arcee is for all Arcees (G1, Bay, Animated, Prime, etc.) But Beast Wars Megatron is like... a multiversal singularity or something. If everyone realises that he counts individually then of course Beast Wars Megatron is going to win, but the naming thing is illogical.

[kup]

This whole Hall of Fame thing is inconsistent. What... it covers all incarnations of characters with the same name except the Megatron from Beast Wars? That is, a vote for Arcee is for all Arcees (G1, Bay, Animated, Prime, etc.) But Beast Wars Megatron is like... a multiversal singularity or something. If everyone realises that he counts individually then of course Beast Wars Megatron is going to win, but the naming thing is illogical.

Nothing that the Club, Botcon and related does is logical.

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

I voted BW Megs 'cos he's my all-time favourite TF character, but I was wondering the same thing. Would have gone for Sky-Byte or Swindle next, with Sky Byte being my preference but Swindle being the most realistic and 'iconic' option, but who likely wouldn't make it in on his own under the current overly-broad rules anyway. Sky Byte is a fan favourite for sure (this fan included), but he's way too obscure for a Hall of Fame IMO.
I still think it should be Ravage this time around.

[Hursticon]

This whole Hall of Fame thing is inconsistent. What... it covers all incarnations of characters with the same name except the Megatron from Beast Wars? That is, a vote for Arcee is for all Arcees (G1, Bay, Animated, Prime, etc.) But Beast Wars Megatron is like... a multiversal singularity or something. If everyone realises that he counts individually then of course Beast Wars Megatron is going to win, but the naming thing is illogical.

It's not all that hard to understand dude, BW Megatron is a valid nominee as he isn't G1 Megatron whereas all other Megatons are simply reinterpretations of G1 Megatron.

BW Megatron and Optimus Primal are separate beings existing within the same universe as G1 Megs and Prime - That is why they are eligible for nomination.

Nothing that the Club, Botcon and related does is logical.

The Hall of Fame is a Hasbro thing though isn't it?

I voted BW Megs 'cos he's my all-time favourite TF character, but I was wondering the same thing.

It's as I've mentioned above man, but I'm really glad you've chosen to support BW Megatron!

I've also cast my vote over at TFwiki, Seibertron and the AllSpark; some like the TFwiki are still asking for 5 nominations from each voter, so in this case I voted for Arcee, Megatron (BW), Minerva, Rattrap & Sky-Byte.
(They asked for names to be issued in Alphabetical order )

[Sky Shadow]

It's not all that hard to understand dude, BW Megatron is a valid nominee as he isn't G1 Megatron whereas all other Megatons are simply reinterpretations of G1 Megatron.

Yes, except other than BW Megatron it's not individual Transformers who are nominated - it's their names. The Bumblebee in the hall of fame is G1, Movie and Animated Bumblebee. Those aren't the same character. People are nominating 'Prowl'. There are like... twelve different Prowls, some of which exist in the same universe as each other. People are nominating 'Scourge'. That means they're nominating a hovercraft, a truck, a three-headed dragon and a locust. It doesn't make sense! (Head explodes.)

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

To be fair, a three-headed locust hover-truck would be interesting...

[Hursticon]

Yes, except other than BW Megatron it's not individual Transformers who are nominated - it's their names. The Bumblebee in the hall of fame is G1, Movie and Animated Bumblebee. Those aren't the same character. People are nominating 'Prowl'. There are like... twelve different Prowls, some of which exist in the same universe as each other. People are nominating 'Scourge'. That means they're nominating a hovercraft, a truck, a three-headed dragon and a locust. It doesn't make sense! (Head explodes.)

Well, I suppose that in the end it's up to Hasbro as they're the ones who've decreed that BW Megatron and Optimus Primal are eligible candidates; most of whom you've described though, say in the case of BB, are definitely not the same 'being' but are definitely interpretations of the one archetype and therefore represent that universe's X character.

Unless the character/toy is specifically stated as not having been related to a previous incarnation, take G1 Silverbolt & BW Silverbolt for example, then it is safe to assume that it is a reinterpreted character.

[griffin]

That's the unfortunate thing about the HOF now that it has gone beyond being a one-off event. The first one it was more about the name over the ages... so the displays and presentation videos would include all toys with that name.
What they should have done is specifically induct an actual character, kinda like what they do with the Human inductees. That way, the HOF concept can actually go more than a few years, as the most famous characters would all be eliminated by just a dozen names. See... just like the Beast Wars characters with Gen1 names are popular and iconic, there are characters from other series since Gen1 that are iconinc enough for HOF on their own, but will either be eliminated by the name already being inducted, or wont get inducted because the other versions of that name aren't iconic enough. I'd think BW Inferno, BW Silverbolt, Movie Barricade... would all eventually deserve to be inducted, but under the current system, the earlier toys that shared that name would have to be included, or even featured as the primary Inductee.
If I remember it, I'll see if I can talk one of the Hasbro people at BotCon into maybe reworking HOF into inducting specific characters instead of "global names".
Otherwise they are going to keep having people getting frustrated for not having different characters of the same name being honoured.

The Hall of Fame is a Hasbro thing though isn't it?

Yes, this is a Hasbro thing, not FunPub. They instigated it and utilise BotCon as the best event to host it (which they usually do themselves - at least last year's was all Hasbro hosted).

[Hursticon]

Yes, this is a Hasbro thing, not FunPub. They instigated it and utilise BotCon as the best event to host it (which they usually do themselves - at least last year's was all Hasbro hosted).

Thought so, cheers for the clarification as usual dude.

It certainly would be worth while putting that forward to them (Hasbro) and getting their thoughts on the matter though, as it will certainly in time start to really cause deeper divisions and confusion, more so than what is seemingly occurring with some fans at the moment.

I don't think it helps that a lot of people seem to have it in their heads that a successful Nominee will equal a new toy, which is silly as there is absolutely no evidence for this... yet.

[Sky Shadow]

Unless the character/toy is specifically stated as not having been related to a previous incarnation, take G1 Silverbolt & BW Silverbolt for example, then it is safe to assume that it is a reinterpreted character.

Really though? G1 Scourge, RiD Scourge and Cybertron Scourge are all iconic Transformers, but I'm not convinced that they are "the same guy" (as Astrotrain would say.) People are voting for "Swindle" - does that include the train, Mini-Con and red movieverse car? People are voting for "Wheeljack" - does that mean Armada Wheeljack and that guy in DOTM who may or may not have his name are included too? And "Ironhide" is already in the hall of fame, does that mean Energon Ironhide is him?

Some of it is common sense, but if people ever vote in Mirage, Jetstorm or Bonecrusher, good luck to Hasbro at working out which ones are or aren't in the Hall Of Fame.