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Thread: Bay's final word on Jazz in TF2? (SPOILERS)

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    What I regret about Jazz's death is that the overall portrayal of the character in the movie was pretty crappy and he never had a chance to thrive.

    I woundn't mind if the next movie tries to do him some justice in flashbacks or something.
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    From what I remember Optimus came back twice in the G1 cartoon.
    Yes but, even as a child untill I saw the movie I didn't think the Autobots could die. And there was never really much threat of the main characters suddenly and shockingly being lost in the G1 toon, and if they were you knew they'd be back. The movie trying to create a more serious all ages atmosphere, nedds to have Decepticons who are a credible threat. If Jazz hadn't fallen then Megatron and the rest of the Deceps would look like a bunch of losers.

    Prime also waited a good half a season+ before he came back to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Zed
    From what I remember Optimus came back twice in the G1 cartoon
    And for that reason, the death of an Optimus has basically become meaningless in TF lore. They even poked fun at this in Beast Wars when Megatron once said, "You Optimuses do love to sacrifice yourselves, don't you?"

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    wheeljack > jazz

    I WANT PERCEPTOR IN THE NEXT MOVIE MICHAEL BAY, I KNOW YOU ARE READING THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Given the avoidance of mass-shifting in the movie, he would probably transform into an electron microscope rather than a light microscope - unless you shrunk him down to Frenzy's size.

    Not sure what you would do with a microscope mode in the live action movie... CD players and mobile phones are things that would commonly see lying around places - but how often do you see light microscopes outside of a lab? Certainly not on Air Force One or in Mikaela's handbag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime View Post
    Given the avoidance of mass-shifting in the movie, he would probably transform into an electron microscope rather than a light microscope - unless you shrunk him down to Frenzy's size.

    Not sure what you would do with a microscope mode in the live action movie... CD players and mobile phones are things that would commonly see lying around places - but how often do you see light microscopes outside of a lab? Certainly not on Air Force One or in Mikaela's handbag.

    bahaha , the most wanted t/f in the next movie are the dinobots. How do they fit in a live action movie haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by autobreadticon View Post
    bahaha , the most wanted t/f in the next movie are the dinobots. How do they fit in a live action movie haha
    If they're anything like the Sector 7 clips, bring em on!

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    they would be crap robots in disguise if they maintain dinosaurs as their alt modes. This is why directors should ignore fans some times. Imagine if Megatron had still transformed into a hand gun in the live action movie...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime View Post
    Imagine if Megatron had still transformed into a hand gun in the live action movie...
    Yeah, instead he turned in to a ridiculous looking alien space jet!

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    The concept isn't ridiculous though. He looks alien because he never reformatted himself after arriving on Earth - according to the prequel comics he transformed and landed on Earth, during the Ice Age, and because his body was super-heated from entering the Earth's atmosphere, it cracked the ice beneath his feet, which gave way and the freezing waters beneath swallowed him. Thousands of years later, Archibald Witwicky, Sector 7 yada yada yada.

    Transforming from an 11m robot to a 53cm pistol just looks really silly to most people. Even back in the 80s other kids used to laugh at how silly it looked in the cartoon! Sure, we still loved it, but we laughed at it too. In a live action movie marketed at a general audience; it's just too much. And the concept of transforming into a weapon that needs someone else to fire it is also really inherently lame. As Michael Bay said, it is like Darth Vader transforming into his own light sabre.

    In G1, Megatron always needed someone else nearby to wield him in gun mode - Soundwave, Starscream... even Optimus Prime once! And it certainly wasn't a mode that offered a great amount of mobility.

    A fighter mode offers:
    1/ Autonomy: it's completely self-reliant. After all, Megatron used this mode to travel across galaxies in search of the All Spark. Good luck doing that in gun mode.
    2/ Mobility: jet fighters = aerial superiority

    You may not like the look of his Cybertronian jet mode - it is meant to look otherworldly/alien of course - but looking strange doesn't mean that it's inherently ridiculous.

    A gun mode is inherently ridiculous, as far as a general movie going audience would be concerned.






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