Quote Originally Posted by Trent View Post
The American government used the white hot rage the world felt after 9/11 to justify the Afghanistan/Iraq invasion and by telling us that Iraq had WMDs. The lessons we have learned from that (for those that choose to learn them) are that action needs to be taken with careful, well thought out planning, not anger. Especially when we are dealing with countries. All that will happen now is some politician will use the people's emotion to push an agenda that in normal times would most likely be viewed with scepticism and caution.

Keep in mind, for those of you who do not fully understand what ISIL/ISIS is, is that it is the result of the USA/western worlds incredibly, and I mean INCREDIBLY bad planning and agenda pushing.
Quote Originally Posted by griffin View Post
To be fair, Afghanistan was the base of operations of exported terrorists during that time and needed to be dealt with... and Bush's advisors told him that, but he wanted revenge on Iraq (first) over the unfinished business his father Bush Senior did during his time in office.
And Hussein needed to go, like Assad, but faking the reason for pulling the trigger on an invasion was unnecessary when there was already enough on Hussein to indict him on war crimes (against his own people and Kuwait).
It was simply abuse of power by Bush Junior that resulted in the Iraq invasion after September 11... instead of going to Afghanistan where the son of the Bush's family friends (the Bin Ladens) was located.

And it seems that America's politicians & military just don't learn. They rush in because they think they are the most powerful nation, but don't pre-plan what to do later.
Vietnam - invaded and pulled out leaving a vacuum of power for the Communist Regime to move in and slaughter western supporters.
Cuba - attempted invasion resulting in cementing a dictator... then blockading the country for their own mistake.
Iran - backed Iraq to go to war with Iran, resulting in the creation of an extreme religious state.
Iraq - Bush faked the WMD and used America's military to fight daddies unfinished war, creating a vacuum of power that was filled by extremists.
Palestine - The heavily religious America support the creation of a Jewish state in 1948, oppressing the native Arab/Muslim people and generate hostilities with neighbouring countries, creating a regional environment of hatred over the West.
Libya - Supported opposition groups and protected them with no-fly zones, to oust the Gadaffi regime without making sure that a stable government could fill the void.
Syria - Supported opposition groups in an attempt to oust Assad, but creating large parts of the country without stable government, creating a safehaven for terrorist groups.
Not even remotely going to try to defend the many stupid actions of the western nations, however while they may explain the actions of IS, it doesn't excuse them


Quote Originally Posted by griffin View Post
It's impossible to say that America deserves retaliation because the citizens and soldiers are the ones who suffer... instead of the egotistical politicians who order military operations from the comfort of their oval office, without caring about the consequences of their actions.
Exactly